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one of the coolest kids shows I haven't watched in years just some clips on youtube. I remember it playing on WPIX NY. Shout Factory is an awesome company and without them we probably wouldn't have a lot of shows on TV. I still never thanked them for Freaks and Geeks so I will now. THANKS

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The theme song replacement kinda reminds me of what they did to The Wonder Years' opening theme. It's still "With a Little Help From My Friends", but it's not the Joe Cocker version. Instead, it's sung by a phony Joe Crocker.

If there's one thing I learned about music clearances, it's that you can't always assume it was a cost-prohibitive issue, and that they tried so hard to get the rights, but couldn't.

Take Wiseguy for instance. The end of the steelgrave arc originally featured The Moody Blues' "Nights in White Satin". The song was highly (and I mean HIGHLY) essential to the plot. But Steven J. Channel, who was responsible for putting together the DVD sets for Ventura and then later for Mill Creek to distribute, didn't bother making any phone calls for the rights to the song, and opted to replace it with cheesy incidental music. The Moody Blues themselves even said that nobody ever contacted them about the rights to use the song.

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The show was quite popular in Germany on independent satellite channel RTL, and the German vol.1 set has 35 episodes from the first two seasons, 13 broadcast episodes proved difficult to clear for music and thus left out here. The theme song's the same but an instrumental re-recording, at least there's English audio included and a couple of deleted scenes.


"No...that's impossible...".

RE: Will we ever see Out of this world on DVD?

This show will never be on DVD. Why? Because of music rights issues, including the theme song.

A European company released a few Best-of-DVDs, and being the lazy bums that they are, refused to clear the theme song.

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It's hard to pay close attention when what you're reading is full of random conclusions.  Having "interest" in a title doesn't mean that person is guaranteed to purchase it.  So you cannot realistically say "MORE PEOPLE SEEM TO BE INTERESTED IN AND WOULD BUY IN A HEARTBEAT..."  Hold on now.  Unless you're in control of that person's wallet, you can't vouch for them.  I have quite a few DVDs and Blu-rays in my wishlist on Amazon, but I've not yet purchased them.  So what does that do to their sales?  Nothing.  No one knows I want them.  And my putting them into a cart does nothing in regard to sales numbers until I actually purchase them.  Some of those titles have sat there for years, due to there being a priority in what I buy and when I buy it.

Police Woman was, by no stretch, a random show.  Your lack of knowledge of the series has no bearing on whether the show is obscure.  It's a series that made Angie Dickinson a star and LITERALLY paved the way for strong female leads in television action dramas.  It's an hour-long cop drama that ran for four seasons on NETWORK television.   Out of This World, on the other hand, ran for four seasons in syndication, which means it wasn't even seen in every market in the country.  And the markets weren't obligated to have it on at the same time.  So it could be seen at 6am in Florida and 3pm in Washington.  Don't presume that EVERYONE remembers this show.  In the two markets with which I was most familiar growing up during Out of This World's run, it wasn't even as popular as Small Wonder; a show that A LOT of people remember and showed a GREAT DEAL of interest in.  We spent years getting emails and letters about that show.  Based on this level of INTEREST, we acquired it.  As expected, season 1 sold well for nostalgia sake.  Season 2 sold...nothing.  Well, virtually nothing.

And, because I see that you're new here, let me inform you that 502 people rating a TV series on IMDB doesn't give it credibility and certainly doesn't show us that there's a real market out there.  To give you just A LITTLE bit of perspective, Seinfeld  has over 63,000 people rating it.  Now, I know what you're thinking: "but that's Seinfeld!"  True.  So let me give you a little MORE perspective.  The aforementioned Small Wonder?  The show that fans hassled us about for years and then didn't buy?  One thousand three hundred and ten users rated it.  That's more than DOUBLE the "interest" that Out of This World has garnered.  In order to validate the spending of hundreds of thousands of dollars in licensing, production, manufacturing and marketing, we need to sell anywhere between 15,000 and 30,000 of season one just to be profitable enough to continue making a season two.  Five hundred and two people aren't going get us to 15,000, let alone 30,000.  And how are we even going to get the show into retail??  Most retailers don't even want POPULAR nostalgic television box sets anymore.  Can you imagine the battle we'd have trying to convince them to carry a sitcom that was in syndication for four years?

If you expect me to believe friends and family go out and buy product site unseen strictly based on the reviews of their loved ones... Wow.  This might happen occasionally, but I'll tell you right now, having worked in DVD retail, that people don't typically walk into a store and put down $30-$40 on something based solely on a recommendation.  Recommendations may lead to views on TV, Netflix or even iTunes, but they don't necessarily lead to sales of season sets.  And sales are what we need to succeed and stay in business, which you've so astutely pointed out that we've managed to do.

Finally, I don't know if you've noticed, but Shout! Factory isn't the only game in town.  There are other independent labels out there.  And some of them can get away with selling a lot fewer copies than we can in order to still make a profit.  And they've not acquired Out of This World  to this point, either.  You might need to start asking yourself, "why?"  After all, while I certainly might be, we can't ALL be stupid.

Brian


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by B Ward at 2/15/2012 12:34:16 PM

HAHA... This person just totally equated user reviews on Amazon to SALES and called them FACTS! That's adorable.

Brian


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Shows how much you paid attention. Amazon wasn't even mentioned in the post at all.


Either way, User Reviews and Ratings ARE what matters hotshot. It may have been different in the prehistoric ages in the business world in determining what makes a profit or not. However, in this day and age statistics, especially from the most used resource for it's topic on the internet... for the people interested BY the people interested, IS what matters in this generation.

Especially certain shows known by the same crowd who use the internet as their prime source in most marketing decisions and for information.


A show produced in the late 80's is going to be most wanted by the same generation that uses the internet as a medium to request and show their appreciation of what they'd like to see or buy. A good portion of the stuff Shout Factory sells is most sought out by people who use the internet and can relate to other people who like the same thing.


I can see how you're confused though. The 500+ user reviews VS. the ZERO (0) sales of a product that hasn't been sold legally can be confusing. Comparing the 0 sales of the product to the 0 sales it hasn't made totally helps in your decision to release something.


Of course, I'm not in the position of business and marketing. However, comparing the 0 sales figures of a product that's never been released as your source of if you'll produce the product, and calling it a "fact" or "resource" to go by in order to sell a product... Vs, I dunno, say, the popularity of the product which, is tangible, predictable, and... An actual fact, as... it actually exists... Compared to your 0 sales figures and imaginary projected sales based off of... ???.


Contrary to the Meme, I'd trust:


1) Product with unknown profit amount.

2) Gather projected sales based off quality and public interest.

3) Sell product.

4) Profit!


To be better and more reliable than:


1) Product with unknown profit amount.

2) Don't sell.

3) ???

4) Profit?


Are you telling me that INTEREST in a product doesn't equal more sales? I 100% guarantee you that a show MORE PEOPLE SEEM TO BE INTERESTED IN AND WOULD BUY IN A HEARTBEAT AND RATE HIGHER would be more profitable than A SHOW BARELY ANYONE HAS HEARD OF AND HAS A MEDIOCRE RATING THAT WILL PROBABLY ONLY BE BOUGHT BY OLD PEOPLE WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND AND CAN'T RESEARCH IF THE PRODUCT IS WORTH BUYING.


People would be more likely to buy a product that their friends and family talk about and rate highly... Compared to a public review and rating site that gives helpful information... Than a limited amount of people who barely contact or research a product before buying it, thus, not buying it because they don't know if it's any good. They also don't get the message out to their friends thus, not as many people are going to watch it.


I'm sure you have an educated marketing background from 1995 that prepared you for selling products in a certain way. However, this is the age of technology and the internet. To tell me that user reviews aren't facts and that your bogus imaginary non-existent sales figures of a product that can't possibly have any due to it... well, not even being sold... Is GREATER than a product you green-lined that has significantly less interest FACTUALLY that other people, not just you and your marketing crew, can see... Is a complete joke.


Basically, I'm having a hard time viewing a company that has made it's success off of classic shows being renewed and released on DVD... Rejecting and refusing to sell something that's more popular and has more interest than a random show like POLICE WOMAN. If you can sell crap like that and somehow make a profit... Then I'm sure you can sell a show that has more interest and make an even greater profit.

I view this sort of as... A company that decides it's a good idea to sell chairs with spikes on them... Because they don't think selling padded recliners would be profitable... Despite the public interest in "comfier chairs being favorable" not being a fact.

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HAHA... This person just totally equated user reviews on Amazon to SALES and called them FACTS! That's adorable.

Brian


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This post is old, and I apologize for that. I didn't really want to make a new post because a lot of debate and useful information has been posted in here. Not that it matters.

I'd just like to give an update for anyone looking to buy "Out of this World" on DVD, you can now.

Not by Shout Factory of course. It's a show not worthy of profit. Apparently it's not worthy of sale and can't come even close to Angie Dickinson's "Police Woman."



Out of this World - 7.4 out of 502 users. 15 Reviews.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092423/



Police Woman - 6.7 out of 308. 3 Reviews.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071034/



But who cares about that facts or the amount of users who would buy these DVDs... Not like more people interested in something = More profit. Oh, wait.



So, since Shout Factory didn't cash in on this goldmine...



...Somehow Germany did.



You can now purchase "Out of this World" overseas on DVD, Seasons 1 & 2. Known in Germany as "Mein Vater ist ein Außerirdischer" which translates to "My Father is an Alien."



How the heck GERMANY of all places made this possible is beyond me. I don't even see a market for the show in Germany. It's not even a German show. I don't even think it was even aired in Germany in syndication.



But, those are the facts.



So, rush over to whatever you use to purchase foreign DVDs and help out whatever company decided to finally release this so we can stop complaining and requesting it on our favorite underdog DVD producing company.

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If clicks and votes don't matter/can't be relied upon, I wonder why a website like tvshowsondvd.com even bothers to allow us to register and vote.  Why are we here at *this* forum, giving feedback and making requests? 

Out of This World is currently ranked at #25 out of all the unreleased shows listed at tvshowsondvd.com.  I think that's quite an accomplishment.  I didn't check to see how high Webster was ranked... or California Dreams... or Small Wonder (before they were released by Shout) ...because I had no interest in them... but I'd be very surprised if they were ever as high as Out of This World is now.

I realize many other factors are taken into consideration, which we the general public will never be privy to.  And you don't *have* to justify your releases to us.  But you can't really blame people for wondering why some shows, which few people seemed to be asking for, were chosen by Shout for release... and not others.  Somehow you guys decide that something's gonna be more profitable than something else.  But I thought Shout Factory cared more about customer feedback and requests than your average big business.  Didn't Shout initially promote themselves as caring more?  Being for the underdog?  Willing to release niche products that nobody else will... for the love of it... for the fans?  I can't help feeling disappointed in recent comments and decisions which seem to indicate more of a big business attitude.

Any other small companies out there who are willing to accept a modest profit on a niche nostalgia product?

I still think Out of This World (and others) could be released as manufacture-on-demand (not necessarily burn-on-demand...real dvds (although I'd buy dvd-rs for much-desired shows)... with no financial risk to Shout.  Simply take pre-orders, shoot for a certain number...see if you reach it.  If so, charge our credit cards and ship when ready.  I'm sure many of us are willing to do more than vote at tvshowsondvd.com or sign a petition or click on youtube or whatever.  I'll vote with my wallet, if you'll give me a chance.

The folks who run tvshowsondvd.com have our email addresses and could contact everyone who voted for a show like OOTW, and send them over to Shout's site to sign up for a pre-order... then you'd know for sure whether those internet votes would translate into actual purchases to make it worth your while to try to license the show.  I guess it would be a long process from pre-order to license to manufacture ...but... we've been waiting a long time for this show anyway, right? :)

(The above idea refers to Shout Select exclusive-type mail-order release.  I also still think that stores might be wooed to carry regular retail dvds if Out of This World was compared to the successful release of Sabrina The Teenage Witch, instead of Small Wonder's less than satisfactory sales.)

I know you guys sound like you've really made up your minds on this and I'm probably wasting my time...but I had to try just once more!

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Hopefully its released soon.You can request it on TV www.kofy.com or www.kofytv.com On certain nights they let you pick a show, hopefully It wins.

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" It's another thing entirely to stand in front of a cashier and spend between $30 and $40 on it.  We need to focus on titles that will inspire someone to do just that."

That's true. Petitions can not be trusted either, like Brian commented some will have lots of signatures and sell less than the high numbers that signed up, but - and this is the important thing - some can also have few signatures and sell very well. The answer to that is simple. As mentioned in Brian's post, people who only do their shopping 'in the real world' probably don't even know about something like fan petitions of some show they too once liked and watched religiously, so it can definitely give studios/companies the wrong picture sometimes - but if released might actually do very well. So any way you look at it it is a gamble sometimes.


"No...that's impossible...".

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No offense, but we all want to see that happen....just doesn't seem like the right place to bring that up. :P

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Could you finish releasing Room 222, COPS, and Mr. Belvedere with your shoutselect?  Don't care about a retail release just want to see them finished by your company if possible.

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I'm not really sure where to start here.  I applaud using facts and stats to support your argument.  But I'd say the test is a bit skewed, to say the least.  Statistically, the majority of people purchasing DVDs aren't typically spending a whole lot of time cruising the internet in search of news and polls.  They're casual consumers, not consuming collectors.  So the people clicking the buttons are people who know, definitively, that they want the show.  The people not clicking are a complete X factor.  After all, are they people who want it?  Are they people who very much don't want it?  Are they people who've never heard of it?  We don't know, because they didn't click on anything.  The majority of people never even saw the poll.  Just yesterday, I explained IMDB to someone extremely educated and movie/television saavy--a virtual walking encyclopedia of the subject--who had no idea of its existence.  He doesn't spend a lot of time on the internet.  So where's his say?  The X factor makes a huge difference.

Let's now investigate the people who've clicked positively for the series.  Clicking on a show title to raise its popularity or vote for a release does not commit that person to buying the set upon its release.  You don't have to enter a credit card or hand over cash to place a vote.  I once saw a petition for COPS: The Animated Series DVDs that was 5700 names long.  We sold considerably fewer.  So where were the people who signed it?  Three hundred and eighty votes for Out Of This World doesn't even come CLOSE to the number we'd have to sell to make a profit.  Come find me when 10,000 unique visitors have voted.  Even then, I'm skeptical that each and every person that voted will buy the set upon its release.

Onto YouTube.  Streaming is incredibly popular.  For instance, I often stream music via YouTube, but I've rarely purchased the albums or even songs that I listen to.  I enjoy listening to the music.  It's always there.  I don't have to pay a penny and it's legal.  So having a free option is relevant.  Furthermore, seeing the number of views says nothing about the opinions of those viewers.  A video with 25 million views says nothing.  How many viewers were satisfied?  It also says nothing about how long they watched it.  If I click on a YouTube video and dislike it, I simply click away.  My view is still registered, but I neither liked the product nor watched it in its entirety.  The numbers, once again, are skewed in favor of making something more popular than it actually is.

Bootleggers will continue to bootleg, regardless of whether or not we release a series.  For example, we released complete series sets of Transformers and G.I. Joe.  Both have been bootlegged and sold to people believing they were buying the real deal.  Those bootleggers are still profiting.  Back to the point before, a lot of consumers still purchase at brick 'n' mortar stores, so they're not buy the bootlegs because they're not even aware that they exist.  If it's not in the store, it's not available, thinks the average joe consumer.  Out of sight, out of mind.  If they do look it up on Amazon or the like, they have to be careful as what they purchase and from whom.  The bootleggers will continue to provide product, regardless of its supply in the marketplace.

"King of underdogs..." It's a term I like very much.  But, sadly, we've been bitten by so many of those underdogs, we're no longer in need of inoculations, as our company's blood can now be used to cure rabies.  We've picked up A LOT of titles that have underperformed.  One has to ask the question, "do I like this series enough to spend my paycheck on it?"  If not, we're in trouble.  It's one thing to love a show.  It's one thing to love a show and watch via YouTube or Hulu.  It's another thing entirely to stand in front of a cashier and spend between $30 and $40 on it.  We need to focus on titles that will inspire someone to do just that.

Which brings me to The Legend of Zelda.  Don't know about the people on YouTube, but that series has sold VERY well for us.  VERY WELL.  In fact, it's the first of the DiC titles that sold over its expectations.  Never underestimate the power of people hanging on to their Nintendo titles.  After all, the series was based on a Nintendo staple.  And I wouldn't say no one remembers it.  Just the other day, someone posted a fan film that made its way around the internet in quick fashion.  Included in that fan film was dialogue made popular by the animated series.  So it's certainly been influential.

Finally... I get it.  I really enjoyed Out Of This World.  I get that there are people who want to see it released.  I do.  But the fact that we're not just here to champion the underdogs, but also profit from them (as we ARE a business), is important.  In this economy, we have to be fairly picky.  And before people start criticizing our choices--because they always do--I urge you to remember that you don't have physical copies of sales numbers in your hands.  Could we ever release it?  Sure, maybe.  But when we take a show that aired on national television, on NBC Saturday mornings, like California Dreams, look at the numbers and then say, "how do you think this show, which aired in syndication at different times in fewer markets, will do?"; the outlook isn't fantastic.

Brian


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by B Ward at 6/13/2010 6:23:10 PM

I understand the disappointment. But one must consider that while we are the champions of the underdogs, we can't afford to be unwise. We don't acquire titles just because they're underdogs. We do so because we feel that while the studios may not believe in them, there's a large enough fan base out there to, in fact, make some money off of its release. But we're not just basing that decision off of Small Wonder, though it is most like Small Wonder in terms of scale and budget. We're also basing it on sales of other sitcom-like shows for younge audiences, like California Dreams and even Parker Lewis Can't Lose, which had a bigger fan base than any of the others. Taking those titles, their sales and the understanding that we'd sell fewer of OOTW right off the bat, I can't even begin to imagine why it'd be a wise business decision. But that's just me. Again, I'm not in acquisitions.



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I know I'm late to the party, and hopefully that's okay. I was trying to look for rules on bumping old threads, but couldn't find 'em.

I would definitely purchase "Out of this World" if it was released on DVD, especially from "Shout! Factory." I'm a little surprised that a show like this doesn't seem profitable at the moment, considering it was actually quite popular during it's run. Not only in the United States, but in the UK too if I remember correctly.

Out of This World (Wikipedia)

The show had quite a few major celebrity appearances, as well as regularly starring Burt Reynolds as the voice of Evie's father, however uncredited.

I'm surprised that Shout! Factory, a champion of the underdogs, doesn't realize the possible business opportunity this could unfold. The series hasn't had a wink of action since 1991, meaning that today's audience would be looking at this as if it was a new series. It's not a bad show either in writing, it has a good plot, entertaining characters, and 4 whole seasons worth of material. New shows these days are lucky to even have 4 full seasons sometimes. I honestly don't see why, if it wasn't popular back then, why they would continue to make an additional 3 seasons if nobody was interested in the show.

This show would honestly gain more profit than such classics like... Heathcliff. (Seriously? Heathcliff? The only people who watched that show were 4-12 year old kids who were getting ready for school in the morning, and had nothing else to watch.) I was surprised when The Legend of Zelda was released, as it's on the same par as "Out of this World," where as, it's one of those things that aired very briefly, and was never heard of again.

Honestly, there are some shows released by "Shout! Factory" that I've never even HEARD OF before, nor has anyone else I've asked. (Young and old.)

Obviously, profit is the main concern here... (Or rather, not losing money and breaking even.) however, I'm not sure how Shout! Factory is even making a profit off of some of these titles at all, when some of them nobody has even asked for, heard of, or have horrible reviews and ratings.

What kind of facts do some of these people need in order to release if a show will be a success or not in sales?

We live in the age of technology, where people who are fans of something in particular, can easily post their opinions all over the internet. Perhaps these companies that assisting in acquiring rights, manufacturing, etc, these DVDs, are living in the past... how appropriate for a lot of these titles; however, the future is here and now, and there's solid evidence, facts, and information, on someone determining what titles would be popular, what would sell, and what wouldn't.

Aside from the fact that a lot of us say things like, "Remember that show, The Legend of Zelda? Yeah, that was a crappy cartoon, but I'd love to see it again!" how else did Shout! Factory determine if such a DVD would sell? Because if there's other data, or other factors of popularity for the show, I have no idea how the DVD was even considered at all, period. A lot of people hated the show, and it gets horrible ratings and reviews constantly.

Heck, compare the two on a site like IMDB for example:

Out of this World

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092423/

Legend of Zelda

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0832330/

So, according to this website... which is suppose to be, next to Wikipedia, the most informational and #1 source for film / video knowledge...

For the Legend of Zelda, 198 people voted making it a 5.8, and only 1 person cared to review it. You'd think with it's "popularity" and well known enough to produce DVDs of, us nostalgic fanbois and gurls, who, if they saw and remember this show, most likely use the internet constantly... would have more attention. However, it does not.

Not that I'm bashing The Legend of Zelda, heck, I bought it on the spot at FYE when I first saw it. Want to know why though? I considered it a rare find. I said, "Whoa, someone actually cared enough to release this on DVD? I'm buying this ASAP so this company can make more classic titles I remember!"

And honestly, if they had made any success with TLOZ, this is exactly the reason. People remember the show, see the DVD, and think "Whoa? Really? Buying this now!"

Now, move on to the entry for "Out of this World."

380 votes, averaging out to 7.5. (Extremely high for a show nobody seems to care about or remember, eh?) All positive reviews!

And that's only for IMDB. Searching YouTube for episodes yields high "view counts," in my opinion, for a show "nobody cares about." I mean, it's not in the MILLIONS, but it's rather interesting to see episodes uploaded there, about a show that apparently "isn't popular enough" and have over 75-100k views.

Additionally, a foreign company that sells poorly constructed bootleg DVDs is making a profit off of this, and the quality of the episodes on the DVDs are horrible, and it has missing episodes. Not to mention amateurs who use nothing but their computer and some purchased DVD boxes. (Some guy's selling it for $19.99 on his shady website.)

So surely, the king of the underdogs could possibly put this in their acquisition queue and give it a serious look, you guys could honestly make this work, with more success than some of your other shows.

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I can see a similarity between Sabrina The Teenage Witch and Out Of This World ... they share the basic premise of young girls coming-of age, Sabrina on her 16th birthday & Evie on her 13th, finding out they've inherited supernatural abilities and learning to use them (or not) while going through the typical trials of growing up...in a light-hearted comedic way. :)  In fact I think OOTW has a lot more in common with Sabrina than with Small Wonder.  And isn't Sabrina doing well on DVD?  I thought all the seasons had been released...so the sales must not have dropped significantly from one season to the next, or else the show would've been abandoned like so many others.  Wouldn't it be possible to use Sabrina's dvd success to reassure retailers about Out Of This World, if they need that sort of comparison made?

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I didn't even think of comparing it to Sabrina but I know what you are talking about and can see that side of things. One of the problems with classic TV on DVD is the lack of exposure it had now. If some of these shows were released on video or DVD say 15 years ago when there still were stations playing then older programs, stations dedicated to that and local markets also airing then much older programming, they would sell better. I read there was a poll and only 37%  of the people polled knew who Bugs Bunny was, he has vanished from television and I believe it to be for no good or solid reason but I digress. We need more stations devoted to older programming or more stations airing older programming. Really the specialty stations removed these things from other sources that people might be more likely to accidentally place it upon or leave it on or stumble upon. I loved to learn Gilligan's Island, Honeymooners, the Marx Brothers, Doctor Who, etc... as a kid from the station just being on it or me only having 3 -4 stations to go through.

Anyways, about memory playing tricks, I pretty much like what I liked I understood how the program worked then, what they were aiming for. I know people like what you say though, I have seen a fan or two of older programming at the time not like it now because it was aimed at a kid or the storytelling is slower as opposed to what is the flavor now. There are those of us that either prefer it the older way or see the value of different presentation formats to tell a story.

In regards to Out of this World, I watched tapes of it until 8-10 years ago, a handful of episodes, and I think it better than a recently seen Small Wonder. It has cheese in it and it is an 80 sitcom aimed at teens, not dirty but sweet, some goofy bits. Not at the Family Ties or Growing Pains level, more at the Saved by the Bell or Charles in Charge range. Of course Bewitched and Sabina or thematically similar and it was better than Alf which I loved as well. I can't get over my old crushes.

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I'm afraid we'd only have the home entertainment rights, meaning strictly DVD and Blu-ray (not that a Blu-ray would ever be needed on this title). We wouldn't legally be allowed to broadcast the episodes.

But you're right.  A number of shows require people to be reminded that they once loved it.  Unfortunately, being presented with the episodes can be a good and a bad thing.  Oftentimes, nostalgia plays a horrible prank on us, as the show we remembered as being absolutely fantastic as children turn out to be complete duds as adults.  Mind you, I'm not suggesting that Out of This World is one such title.  But it's been known to happen.

Brian


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Have you ever thought of maybe setting up a contract with local cable companies or even satelite companies to rent out one or two episodes to see how they do????? The more advertising, the more likely people would be willing to purchase. Just a thought!!!! I know a lot of people who have the "oh, yeah" moments after hearing a brief description. I was not a big fan of Will & Grace when it was on TV, but as of late I have been watching a few episodes here and there and today I purchased the entire series because, well, I really missed out on a good show :(

RE: Will we ever see Out of this world on DVD?

That's also the problem with syndication.  It never came on at the same time or on the same channel in every market.  So for some, it may have been a part of some popular block of shows and could be more memorable than anything else they were watching.  And for others, it may have been slapped somewhere else on Sunday afternoon, when kids are out playing.  It's hard to pin it down.

As for comparing it to other shows, I may need to clarify my description of the process.  When retailers or our distributor says "give me a 'comp' title," they're not asking us for a simple description.  They don't want us to say, "think Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, but with a half-alien girl."  They want hard numbers.  They want me to say, "look at the Sabrina or Small Wonder Season 1 sales numbers."  That's what they're after; hard data.

Brian


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Its funny how a show becomes popular in one area but not in other.    I grew up in a small town, and I remember the catch phrase "stick that in your computer" form small wonder taking over the school yard. everyone was saying it. As far as out of this world I can only remember catching a few episodes.

 It must have came on a station that did not come on very well or came on during some other show that was much better.
 Like Ninja Turtles or Ducktales 

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Same here.

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by The Snappy Sneezer at 10/11/2010 4:06:58 PM

I grew up in the backwards region where Out of This World was popular and nobody really heard of Small Wonder.

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I understand it better though as a kid from the period, it seems I grew up in the backwards region where Out of This World was popular and nobody really heard of Small Wonder. We didn't get Bravestar either. I think I equate Small Wonder with What a Dummy and that show was not so good, I believe they both aired on the same foreign market station I picked up through static.

If I were to push Out of This World to stores, I'd say it was like a teenage Bewitched from the 80s but with an alien instead of a witch and play up Steve Burton's role even if he isn't the lead.

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Keep in mind, that this isn't a correlation is based on our own thoughts.  Retailers require complimentary titles before deciding on whether or not they're interested.  So, sadly, you go looking for "comp" titles for a syndicated fantasy sitcom that never broke into the official prime time slots about a young girl with powers and a secret she hides from her friends and extended family and what have you got?  Retailers don't care how similar it is to the other show.  They'll never watch the two.  But that's what they compare it to.  And if Small Wonder didn't sell well enough, they jump to the conclusion that Out of This World won't either.  Throw on top of that the fact that Small Wonder was sold to 1/3 more markets than Out of This World and you have to reduce the number of expected sales, based a smaller original fan base.  Retailers don't like the risk.

Hope that helps explain the process.

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Thanks so much for the encouraging info about S'more ...if being a friend of the show's creator is what it takes...!  Okay by me.  As long as we get this show on DVD, I don't even care about nepotism. ;)

I completely agree that there should be no correlation between OOTW and Small Wonder.  There isn't, in my mind, anyway.  And I still think it's pretty unfair to allow the poor sales of the latter to affect whether Out Of This World gets a chance.

I'm definitely going to contact S'more and hope for the best.

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Wow, I'm shocked at the correlation of these two programs. Small Wonder didn't even air in my neck of the woods though I had heard of it, watched it through some static a few cities over and it seemed ok but nowhere near as good as Out of this World. Out of this World was popular at my school, everyone watched it, it came on our local ABC affiliate early Sundays for many years and I think it was o five times a week once. I hope this gets released, it has a popular ABC Daytime soaphunk on it, Steve Burton aka Jason Morgan on General Hospital. It was also featured in the now demolished King Kong ride at Universal Studios. While waiting in line for the ride at the "transit centre" or whatever it was from the 70s King Kong film, a clip from Out of this World looped on the TV monitors.

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I have emailed a different company about releasing Out of this World and they said its a possibility.  It doesnt look like this is something Shout would relase because they said numbers for Small Wonder weren't that good.  But S'more Entertainment a smaller company might do it because the head of that company is personal friends with the creator of the show.  Everyone who wants to see Out of this World on DVD needs to contact S'more Entertainment.  Just go to their homepage for contact info.  I of course would rather see Shout factory release it but they are not interested.

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Just wanted to chime in and add that I would absolutely buy Out of This World as well. I've bought all the California Dreams so far and will be buying Small Wonder too. Out of This World, though, I still try putting my fingers together like Evie did hoping someday I will be able to stop time. ;)

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It's compared because they were often paired up in syndication into hour-long blocks (though, as others have pointed out, OOTW was in syndication on USA long after Small Wonder disapeared).

I watched both, but OOTW was definitely my favorite.  Many of the episodes are out there to download (in pretty horrid quality), and I'd pay whatever it took to get them in decent quality.

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by GAMESHARQ at 7/11/2010 10:25:27 AM

I came here to make a topic about Out of This World, and then I found one was already made.

I really hope Shout will release this full series on DVD.  It was a great show.  Not really sure why it's being compared to Small Wonder.  Small Wonder was fun when I was a kid, but it doesn't appeal to me as an adult.

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I really hope this gets put out on dvd. I am from the uk and it was popular over here, I still talk to friends about out of this world today!

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I came here to make a topic about Out of This World, and then I found one was already made.

I really hope Shout will release this full series on DVD.  It was a great show.  Not really sure why it's being compared to Small Wonder.  Small Wonder was fun when I was a kid, but it doesn't appeal to me as an adult.

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Oh I realize you guys make real DVDs, not DVD-Rs.  (And I love that your online exclusives are better quality than the Warner Archive.)  I'm sorry if I used the wrong terminology, but I thought MOD could refer to pressed DVDs as well... like the TCM Archive/Universal online exclusives, which are sometimes DVD-Rs and sometimes pressed DVDs (depending on how many pre-orders they get, I believe).  But maybe those aren't technically considered manufactured-on-demand?  I don't know.  Anyway, didn't mean to offend. :)

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One thing to note is that we don't do manufacture-on-demand, like Warner Bros.' catalog titles.  To manufacture on demand, you're basically just creating burned DVD-Rs.  The Shout! Factory Select titles are all professionally authored and packaged, so they still cost quite a bit to author and manufacture.  We simply curb our sales expectations, based on the perceived demand.

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...and marketing it to fans of similar shows like Sabrina The Teenage Witch... or fans of aliens/supernatural powers in general.

I wanna thank the other recent posters in this thread for giving me back a smidgen of hope. :)  Shout's still my favorite company and I know they'd do the best job (and I really believe OOTW would sell well enough as a manufacture-on-demand-direct-order-from-website release at least)... but I guess it's true there *are* a few other niche market dvd companies out there that might take an interest.  So, thanks for making me feel a bit better.

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I was thinking about this show and the thought crossed my mind that marketing this show to the diehard fans of "Jason" on General Hospital could work.

It would be great it somehow this show will someday get a release.

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longtime fan.

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I've asked this before myself. In fact, I've suggested that Shout do a compilation of one-year wonders and rarities. Some that haven't seen the light of day since they were on tv. I think many tv fans would grab these as rare opporunities to see some shows they would otherwise never see. There are so many shows out there that didn't make it past one season and then didn't even find a new life in syndication. These would be prime candidates for a release of this caliber. Here are some suggestions:

A.E.S. Hudson Street (1978)

Babes (1990)

One In A Million (1980)

A Touch Of Grace (1973)

The Good Life (1971)

Here We Go Again (1973)

Grindl (1963)

Mona McCluskey (1965)

9 to 5 (1980 & 1986)

Anyone want to add to this list?

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In addition to the above, can I also ask what are Shouts feelings on 'Best of' sets or volume sets? Would you ever consider doing a compilation of certain episodes from rarer shows that might not justify complete season sets - kind of like what Warner Bros are doing with their 80s Saturday Morning cartoon sets.

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hey there  as im  relatively new to the shout factory family  been a longtime fan though  but i wanna know   is why  do the companies   based  releasing season  based on sales  of the season they  put out   ex:  if season 1 sells then  season 2 get release  if  it dont  then  they wont  released  and i could never understand that  because alot of these show   the later seasons are better oppose to the  1st  or earlier season    ( i.e   different world   family matters)  cause alot of them shows  didnt get  good until the later seasons  which means  us fans dont get the laters seasons because of the bad writing and  performance of earlier work   rather than jus released whole boxsets  and sellin them that way    and charge  the appropiate price and  u make ur money back       as i know u can answer this better for me than anyone 

please let me know   this question is for brian ward

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Hi TV_Fan.  I totally agree with you.  Hope is a good thing.  I was hoping for Small Wonder to show up on DVD and now I have Season One.  I just ordered Season Two.  It takes a longer time for me to get the DVD because I live in Canada.  lol.  You never know, Out of This World could be released either through Shout! Factory or other independent companies such as VEI or Lionsgate.  I am simply just throwing out a couple of company names just for arguements sake.

 

Cheerio,

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I remember watching Out of This World when I was a kid but I liked Small Wonder better.  I would buy OOTW on DVD simply for its nostalgia value and because I have a thing for cheesy 80's shows.  What we have to remember is that we should never give up hope of a show being released on DVD.  I distinctly remember certain people at Shout! giving a clear answer of "no" when asked if they would ever release Tales of the Gold Monkey on DVD.  Yet I just popped it out of my DVD player.  I also remember people saying that Small Wonder would not be released by Shout!  Yet we're already on season two.  The fact also remains that if Shout! can not or will not release OOTW on DVD they are not the only independent DVD releasing company out there.  It's possible another company could someday put it out.  I'm just making the point that there is always hope.


Please bring "Starman" the 1986-87 tv series, Silver Spoons seasons 2 & beyond and Jennifer Slept Here to DVD.

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I really have no interest in downloading stuff to be honest, I want the cult shows in my DVD greedy hands hehe, and running four seasons I guess it had something that kept an audience watching. If noticing my avatar, I like OOTW too and would buy it without thinking twice, plus I found Maureen a real cutie pie at the time. Obviously it's not a totally gigantic sitcom hit title or Universal would do it themselves, so smaller sales are expected but I guess those would be better than nothing. I also realize it costs something to produce a DVD product in the first place which  is how decisions are helped weighed for or against a bankable release, still, fingers crossed tightly.


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Yeah, I was always a big fan of "Out Of This World". It was also played a lot in my area...waaaay more than "Small Wonder" which only aired once every weekend. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has never heard of "California Dreams". Anyhow, would love to get "Out Of This World" on dvd. I always thought there could be some cool packaging for that because of Evie's father in the cube. But it is probably another costly project for Shout and doesn't seem logical they would stretch their budget for something like that.  

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Brian -- I also appreciate your honesty and availability to answer questions here on the forum.  I understand you guys have to make money to stay in business.  I don't expect an answer to this, but I wonder how the popularity of an older show is gauged... by the ratings at the time?  The number of seasons it lasted?  How many votes it has on tvshowsondvd.com today?  It would be nice if the pilots could be streamed online or something, so people could vote on which series they'd rather buy.  I'm just dreaming here. :) 

I guess everyone's experiences are different, but OOTW seemed more popular/available in my area.  I watched TV constantly as a kid - my parents literally always had it on, and my toys were set up right in front of it.  I checked out pretty much everything... but I've never heard of California Dreams.  And you could argue that OOTW was more successful than Parker Lewis since it lasted an extra season - plus PLCL changed pretty drastically in later seasons and disappointed fans/lost viewers.  But I realize it still might be more sought after/a bigger moneymaker today.

adamwade -- good idea about purchasing downloads... I'd buy digital copies of the episodes, as long as they could be burned to DVD-R at least once ... It's just not comfy trying to gather a group of people around the 'puter to watch stuff that way. :)  Although, being completely honest, for shows I'm desperate to see again, I probably *would* buy digital files that could only play on the computer.  But they have to look good fullscreen, not tiny lo-res files meant for an ipod or something.  My eyesight's already bad enough! ;)

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Thanks for the candid replies, Brian.  Even though I may not be entirely happy with the message, I do like how you guys do business around here and the openness in how you do so. :)

 I can see your point regarding sales and comparisons, and I'm sure you have numbers to back those up so I don't doubt them.  That said, perhaps it was my age at the time, but many more people I knew at the time (and today) were/would be interested in seeing OOTW over Small Wonder, because Small Wonder was more of a one-note show ("Let's see how Vicky misunderstands/is misunderstood in this episode") as opposed to OOTW which was more of a traditional sitcom with "powers" thrown in that were usually a solution as opposed to the problem itself.  I do enjoy both shows, very much, however.

Hopefully at some points the studios, or a company like SHOUT!, will put these sorts of things up for some type of digital distribution.  Many episodes are available out there, but I have yet to find a complete set either for purchase or download on the "black" market.  It's funny, because I really want one in particular (when they go to Universal Studios).  Heck they could do an iTunes style "make your own DVD" that allowed purchase, download, and X-amount of burns for those of us that like to archive on real media.

In any case, I'll forgive you as long as you guys keep Facts of Life coming - while these shows we are talking about here are fun and nostalgic, FoL is a TV Classic that needs to be completed! :)

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What if Out of this world were a shout select title? would that work?

 

also I have a birthday in december hint hint if you put it out on DVD then I would OWE you one and I would be in your debt.

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I understand the disappointment. But one must consider that while we are the champions of the underdogs, we can't afford to be unwise. We don't acquire titles just because they're underdogs. We do so because we feel that while the studios may not believe in them, there's a large enough fan base out there to, in fact, make some money off of its release. But we're not just basing that decision off of Small Wonder, though it is most like Small Wonder in terms of scale and budget. We're also basing it on sales of other sitcom-like shows for younge audiences, like California Dreams and even Parker Lewis Can't Lose, which had a bigger fan base than any of the others. Taking those titles, their sales and the understanding that we'd sell fewer of OOTW right off the bat, I can't even begin to imagine why it'd be a wise business decision. But that's just me. Again, I'm not in acquisitions.



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I wish I had billions to finance DVD releases too!  Childhood nostalgia is a powerful thing... and I'm sad to say that very few of the '80s shows I watched as a kid, have received a complete/unbutchered DVD release.  I was really hoping Out Of This World would make it.  I'd almost rather not know the bad news, and still have hope. :P  

For whatever it's worth, I'd buy Out Of This World even if I had to import it from the US and pay extra duty costs, etc...if it was an online exclusive/manufacture-on-demand release (like Small Wonder's future seasons will be).  I wish OOTW could have a chance, like SW did...but even if it went straight to online-only instead of regular retail, I'd be happy.

I really don't think it's fair to punish OOTW for SW's "failure".  Especially since, even though it had disappointing sales, Small Wonder's fans aren't being punished...they'll still get to order the rest of the show online.  (And I'm happy for them, even though I don't care for the show myself...I love the fact that Shout Factory has found a way to continue releasing shows so that fans aren't disappointed and stuck with incomplete collections... unlike other studios that abandon series.)

It just seems a shame to give up on one show because of another, unrelated (and arguably inferior) one.  I do appreciate all the fine work Shout Factory has done, and don't mean to offend... but I can't help feeling it's unfair to not release something because something else didn't sell, but at the same time continue to release that something else (even though it's been "demoted", at least it's continuing on a smaller scale for the hardcore fans.)

I'm no expert when it comes to business decisions - maybe it wouldn't make sense, financially, to release Out Of This World.  Maybe it's not a guaranteed mega-seller.  But I've always loved that Shout Factory champions the "underdog" and release things they feel strongly about, and are fans of themselves.  Shows other studios wouldn't touch.  If OOTW has fans at Shout Factory, I wish they could try to find a way to preserve it on DVD and make it available to all the other fans out there...

Ok, I'm sorry for whining...I'll stop now. :)

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I have to say this is dissapointing news that shout factory probably won't try to release out of this world. Man if I were a billionaire I would start throwing my money around to get the shows I want lol.

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That's so disappointing about Out Of This World. :(  I watched it often as a kid (and was only vaguely aware of Small Wonder)  I have no idea which was more popular...certainly wasn't aware of ratings back then!  All I know is, I really enjoyed OOTW ...SW seems creepy to me (you're gonna design a robot slave...er...servant..and you choose the form of a pre-pubescent girl?  Ick.)

Now I dislike Small Wonder even more, since it's poor DVD sales apparently killed Out Of This World's chance of a DVD release!  Dangit. :(  I really wish the shows weren't lumped together like that, 'cause I think they're very different.  OOTW reminds me more of Sabrina The Teenage Witch... and that show seems to be doing well enough on DVD - I realize it's still in syndication though... but perhaps if it OOTW was marketed in a way appealing to Sabrina fans?  I dunno.  I'm just desperately grasping at straws 'cause I'm sad. :(

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I briefly remember Out of This World as a kid. In my area, that one didn't get played a lot like Small Wonder did. Small Wonder lasted quite a bit in the 90's in syndication. I guess I can see how it has a bigger following compared to Out of This World. Still I hope someday the show gets a season 1 release just to see what it was like. I would buy it.

Also, sad to hear Hang Time won't ever get released. I enjoyed that and California Dreams over Saved By The Bell back in the day.

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