| 1/12/2012 10:25 AM |
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StevenIsMyName
 Member since: 1/18/2011 | | Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | So, out of curiosity, I did a very simple, crude, basic, unofficial bit of research. According to Amazon.com's rankings of bestsellers in Movie/TV, I learned the following:
Name of Show/Season----current ranking
WEBSTER 1 -- 36,868
WEBSTER 2 -- 92,753
WEBSTER 3 -- 92,775
PUNKY BREWSTER 1 -- 27,867
PUNKY BRESTER 2 -- 34,889
PUNKY BREWSTER 3 -- 27,196
PUNKY BREWSTER 4 -- 22,742
PUNKY BREWSTER COMPLETE SERIES -- 75,887
FACTS OF LIFE 1&2 -- 8037
FACTS OF LIFE 3 -- 22,572
FACTS OF LIFE 4 -- 9461
FACTS OF LIFE 5 -- 15,498
Maybe I'm misinterpreting the data, but, with the exception of FOL season 3, FOL is selling better than the two other shows in my data sample and by quite a significant margin. I chose PUNKY BREWSTER because it was from the same era and has had its entire run released and WEBSTER because, again, it is from the same era and is getting a season 4 release imminently by Shout!
My conclusion from this bit of research is that the hold-up for a season 6 of FACTS OF LIFE must have to do more with 'unknown factors' than with sales. I choose to take a bit of comfort from this. I now have confidence that we WILL see season 6 out on DVD one day. |
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| 1/12/2012 10:45 PM |
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dstram
 Member since: 11/25/2011 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | | There's two factors: sales, and licensing costs.
Facts of Life is selling better than those other shows, but my guess is that it's also a lot more expensive to license, because it was a more popular show with higher ratings. |
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| 1/17/2012 12:28 PM |
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StevenIsMyName
 Member since: 1/18/2011 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | | I have no knowledge on the licensing costs or any other potential issues (music rights, etc.). I'm just now convinced that whatever is holding up the release of the later seasons, it isn't a lack of interest or sales. Whatever issues exist, they can be worked out. It's pretty tough to 'work out' lack of interest and poor sales, however. |
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| 1/17/2012 3:46 PM |
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B Ward
 Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | Unfortunately, Amazon sales rankings are incredibly misleading. Rankings are based on not just overall sales of that title, but also the sales of all the other titles over the course of that day AND its lifetime. This is where it can get misleading, because other shows may have sold a lot more overall, but this one may have sold more today, which gives it a higher ranking than the others. That is, until other titles sell more that day.
For instance, Facts of Life might sell only three copies today. But if Seinfeld sells only one copy today, FoL is going to be placed at a higher sales ranking, even though Seinfeld has a considerably higher number of sales over its lifetime. Sadly, with no exaggeration, a DVD could sell 5 copies in a day and jump to the #1 ranked spot.
Brian
Follow me on Twitter! (@BWard028) |
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| 1/17/2012 4:49 PM |
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Colton001
 Member since: 5/8/2010 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | I continue to hold out hope every single day that one time I will open tvshowsondvd.com and see The Facts of Life Season 6 listed with a street date!! I check a few times a day, as well as here for any new information, or cause for celebration.
One day! One day! |
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| 1/18/2012 10:07 AM |
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StevenIsMyName
 Member since: 1/18/2011 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | Oh, Brian, I DO know you're absolutely right. I never fully understood how the rankings on Amazon were computed, but I do know they are updated often (perhaps by the hour?) and can swing dramatically. I noted this a couple of hours after making this original post, when I checked the rankings again and they were very, very different. I appreciate you taking time out to respond to this. I'm sure you've been through this many, many times before and it must get irritating to you. Hey, if you manage to work out a deal for a season 6 release for FOL, I'll totally take you out to lunch! :)
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by B Ward at 1/17/2012 3:46:54 PM
Unfortunately, Amazon sales rankings are incredibly misleading. Rankings are based on not just overall sales of that title, but also the sales of all the other titles over the course of that day AND its lifetime. This is where it can get misleading, because other shows may have sold a lot more overall, but this one may have sold more today, which gives it a higher ranking than the others. That is, until other titles sell more that day.
For instance, Facts of Life might sell only three copies today. But if Seinfeld sells only one copy today, FoL is going to be placed at a higher sales ranking, even though Seinfeld has a considerably higher number of sales over its lifetime. Sadly, with no exaggeration, a DVD could sell 5 copies in a day and jump to the #1 ranked spot.
Brian
Follow me on Twitter! (@BWard028) |
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| 1/19/2012 5:01 PM |
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B Ward
 Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | Not irritating at all. Happy to help any way I can!
Brian
Follow me on Twitter! (@BWard028) |
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| 1/23/2012 9:06 PM |
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tvdude
 Member since: 1/23/2012 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | LOL nioce way to fudge the numbers, the fact is youy bungled by not geettin the rights to all seasons at once
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by B Ward at 1/17/2012 3:46:54 PM
Unfortunately, Amazon sales rankings are incredibly misleading. Rankings are based on not just overall sales of that title, but also the sales of all the other titles over the course of that day AND its lifetime. This is where it can get misleading, because other shows may have sold a lot more overall, but this one may have sold more today, which gives it a higher ranking than the others. That is, until other titles sell more that day.
For instance, Facts of Life might sell only three copies today. But if Seinfeld sells only one copy today, FoL is going to be placed at a higher sales ranking, even though Seinfeld has a considerably higher number of sales over its lifetime. Sadly, with no exaggeration, a DVD could sell 5 copies in a day and jump to the #1 ranked spot.
Brian
Follow me on Twitter! (@BWard028) |
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| 1/24/2012 9:51 AM |
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zaxxar
 Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | The fact is you failed to realize that Sony made them have only S4 and S5 and not the rest of it.
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by tvdude at 1/23/2012 9:06:55 PM
LOL nioce way to fudge the numbers, the fact is youy bungled by not geettin the rights to all seasons at once
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| 1/31/2012 7:54 AM |
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harvsoul
 Member since: 1/10/2011 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | Whoever worked out this acquisition and not getting the whole show ought to be FIRED! You had no problem getting other series (etc, All in the Family, Barney Miller, much of MST3K, and many others) , so why is this one an issue? They probably had more issues to deal with than Facts of Life and yet you managed to release them. Maybe somebody's not doing a good job in that department (it's not just the buyers' fault). If I was working there (and maybe if I have Oprah's money or power), oh boy, things would certainly change or get moving.
Another thing, if FOX is always giving you trouble, the STOP DEALING WITH THEM! If they keep treating you like this, REFUSE THEM! I know it's harsh, but like you said, that's business. If they can play hardball, So CAN YOU! You're giving them power that they don't need more of, so if they are going to bend, then you need to hit them where it hurts. |
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| 1/31/2012 9:27 AM |
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HELLOLARRY
 Member since: 8/31/2010 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | Why is it that the majority of posts on these boards revolve around complaining? It has to do more with the individuals making the posts than the company. It would be nice to go into one of these mb's and see some discussion around the actual series or releases instead of what Shout! has done to ruin people's lives. :)
I think we can all agree that companies are in business to make a profit and as has been stated numerous times on many other boards concerning many other series there are several factors that go into making a release. For a company like Shout! who may not own the rights to a particular series outright, these have to be negotiated and the onus is back on the shoulders of the company that owns the rights. Our job as consumers, if we are going to indeed continue to complain ad nauseam on these boards, is to buy every release that comes out and support our shows. HOWEVER, that should be with the understanding that it doesn't always translate into enough numbers to continue a release of a particular series. While we all like to think our personal favorite shows sell the big numbers that perpetuate additional releases, it isn't always going to be the case. There is only so much we can be privy to from the business side no matter how much people demand otherwise. It's been said many times that it all depends on how the shows are offered to Shout! from whomever owns them. Sometimes they are offered in one big batch, other times it is season by season and while there are the best of intentions to put a whole series out, it may come to a screeching halt if something can't be negotiated (music rights, too much money requested, etc.). Sometimes the costs to license are just too prohibitive to make a profit for any company because the holders feel they are sitting on a pile of gold and are holding out yet know they won't make enough of a profit to release it themselves. Makes sense I suppose but they don't, in many cases, have a clear understanding what the market is for the property whether it be tv or film.
For example. I am a big Abbott and Costello fan. Years ago they released their Universal films in 4 separate box sets with the lone exception of 'It Ain't Hay'. The reason for that? The controller of the estate of Damon Runyon (who's story the film was based on) wanted too much money to license it for home video distribution. So...the series came out sans that one title. Fast forward about 8 years or so. The estate changed hands and the new person was much easier to deal with so they were finally able to negotiate and get the film out as part of a 'complete' box set and also separately. Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis did a film based on another Damon Runyon property (Money From Home) and that was then able to be licensed and released as well.
Make no mistake about it, if Shout! continued to release things on good faith then many of you would no longer have a forum to do nothing but bitch because they would be out of business.
As long as companies like Shout! can survive, there is a 'chance' that our favorites will contine to see releases. In the meantime, go volunteer or do something to keep you centered so something as minuscule as a DVD release does not continue to envelop your life and ruin your day.  |
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| 1/31/2012 10:02 AM |
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zaxxar
 Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: Basic Sales research/hope for FACTS OF LIFE?? | No, they shouldn't stop dealing with them. That's not the right thing to do at all, and you know it.
Trust me, that's not gonna work. The only thing that will work will be if fans buy more copies of those Fox shows that Shout licensed. Only then will we see more seasons of them.
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by harvsoul at 1/31/2012 7:54:28 AM
Another thing, if FOX is always giving you trouble, the STOP DEALING WITH THEM! If they keep treating you like this, REFUSE THEM! I know it's harsh, but like you said, that's business. If they can play hardball, So CAN YOU! You're giving them power that they don't need more of, so if they are going to bend, then you need to hit them where it hurts.
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