| 3/9/2011 10:36 AM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | Gargoyles | Shout! Factory needs to team up with Disney to release Gargoyles on DVD's of Seasons 1 and 2.
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| 3/9/2011 3:33 PM |
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SuperDave80s
Member since: 1/10/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | Don't u know Gargoyles season 1 is already out on dvd and Season 2 part 1 is out too? Disney will never give Shout any of these properties, either Disney releases it or no one gets it! That's how they work it seems.
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| 3/9/2011 7:41 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | | While I couldn't picture Disney ever allowing shows containing classic Disney characters like DuckTales and Rescue Rangers to be released by someone else, I could maybe picture them someday allowing somebody to release shows like Gargoyles or Gummi Bears. |
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| 3/9/2011 9:02 PM |
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Zummi
Member since: 3/9/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | Gummi Bears Vol. 1 has also already been released on DVD by Disney. Vol. II has sadly been delayed for an indefinite amount of time since Vol. 1 was released in 2006.
Zummi Gummi |
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| 3/9/2011 9:31 PM |
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blueluigi
Member since: 2/8/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | | My theory as to why they probably stopped releasing more DVDs of these Disney cartoons is most likely the same reason why other shows don't have later volumes... it's because the sales haven't been doing well enough for them to continue. That would seem to be the case for these type of shows... even if Shout Factory were to try to look into getting these shows, they might not be able to since the sales to the DVDs before didn't do so well. |
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| 3/9/2011 9:35 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | What qualifies as a success to Disney is different than what qualifies as a success to a smaller company. When Disney makes such huge numbers off of stuff like Bambi and Beauty & the Beast, they don't want to waste their time with the smaller stuff unless there are big profit margins. |
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| 3/11/2011 9:10 PM |
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Cronos
Member since: 4/14/2009 | | RE: Gargoyles | | I see Disney released Kim Possible seasons 1 and 2 exclusively through their movie club, hopefully they will be encouraged to do the same with their other series. |
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| 5/18/2011 9:25 AM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | Brian,
Disney needs to license Gargoyles to Shout! Factory to release it on DVD in a complete series set.
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| 5/26/2011 12:18 AM |
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coughler
Member since: 12/10/2009 | | RE: Gargoyles |
----- Original Post -----
by jmodlin210 at 5/18/2011 9:25:44 AM
Brian,
Disney needs to license Gargoyles to Shout! Factory to release it on DVD in a complete series set.
Jonny
Disney doesnt give a crap about what fans want in regards to classic shows. How many animated tv shows have been complete and im mostly thinking of the ones from the 90's.
Shows that havent been completed or seen the light of day :
ducktales, goof troop, darkwing duck, gummi bears, GARGOYLES!!!!!!, Chip and dale, ...NOT TO MENTION THEY OWN ALOT OUR FAV SABAN SHOWS NOW....POWER RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 5/26/2011 10:04 AM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | I wouldn't say Disney's some evil conglomerate the way fans may think. I've seen the sales numbers on all of the titles you mentioned and none of them sold particularly well. Disney's no different than us, in that, they have to come away from each project with a profit, in order to continue production. Seeing as how, as a major studio, they paid anywhere between 3-6 times what we do to produce those discs, I'd say it's not a shock that you've not seen subsequent releases.
Again. Studios aren't evil. Labels aren't evil. We're in the business of making money. We don't hold back your favorite shows because we want to. If there's a real chance at making money there, we continue with the releases. When the math simply doesn't work, we have to stop. The sales numbers dictate production of subsequent. It has nothing to do with the love of the fans. It seems to have everything to do with the size of fan base that's willing to spend money on owning the show.
Brian
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| 5/26/2011 5:51 PM |
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StarTrooper
Member since: 6/2/2009 | | RE: Gargoyles | Saban bought back the rights to Power Rangers from Disney in 2010. Everything else is still in the hands of the mouse.
----- Original Post -----
by coughler at 5/26/2011 12:18:57 AM
...NOT TO MENTION THEY OWN ALOT OUR FAV SABAN SHOWS NOW....POWER RANGERS!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 5/26/2011 6:47 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | I would like Gargoyles to be released on DVD in a complete series set. Gargoyles deserves to be released on DVD in a complete series set and has a huge fan base.
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| 5/27/2011 8:30 AM |
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mike962
Member since: 6/20/2009 | | RE: Gargoyles | BRIAN
I don't udnertsnad a thing, how can Warner have this program in releasing HAnna BArnera stuff on orde ronly on a DVD - R and Disney can't ??? I thought since Disney OWN those titles they don't have any problems regarding rights as would SHOUT for example
ANd BRIAN can you say if SHOUT is involved witht eh CAPTAIN PWER DVD release thing ???? since plans are obviously are underway creating a high quality set but the studio hasn't been mentioned ...
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by B Ward at 5/26/2011 10:04:30 AM
I wouldn't say Disney's some evil conglomerate the way fans may think. I've seen the sales numbers on all of the titles you mentioned and none of them sold particularly well. Disney's no different than us, in that, they have to come away from each project with a profit, in order to continue production. Seeing as how, as a major studio, they paid anywhere between 3-6 times what we do to produce those discs, I'd say it's not a shock that you've not seen subsequent releases.
Again. Studios aren't evil. Labels aren't evil. We're in the business of making money. We don't hold back your favorite shows because we want to. If there's a real chance at making money there, we continue with the releases. When the math simply doesn't work, we have to stop. The sales numbers dictate production of subsequent. It has nothing to do with the love of the fans. It seems to have everything to do with the size of fan base that's willing to spend money on owning the show.
Brian
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| 5/27/2011 1:11 PM |
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janhall47
Member since: 4/27/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | | I agree with D. Ward, disney is not evil. The reason why disney didn't put out the rest of their cartoons on dvd because it didn't sell well. Disney was not the only one who had this problem. Warner Bros had the same problem with their dvd sales. Warner Bros didn't put the rest of Tiny Toons, Animanaics and other ones because it didn't sell well. Warner Bros ended up putting out of their old cartoons at wbshop.com because they knew that too many people wouldn't buy it and only a few would buy it. Shout Factory or a different company could buy the Gargoyles from Disney. I wouldn't get my hopes up. Alot of people got mad because Nickeldeon buy Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. |
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| 6/4/2011 2:59 AM |
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coughler
Member since: 12/10/2009 | | RE: Gargoyles | | Yea but tmnt seasons have steadily been coming out. Slowly but still steadily. Although the remainder of the newer series has yet to come out. And tracking down the volumes for that show was a pain. |
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| 6/15/2011 2:51 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | I demand that Gargoyles deserves to be released on DVD in a complete series set.
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| 6/17/2011 2:56 PM |
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SuperDave80s
Member since: 1/10/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | I do agree I don't think the lables/companies are evil but you can't say they don't make bonehead decisions because that happens in hollywood and around all these corps everyday. One only needs to see how the networks operate and which movies get released.
Mr.Ward when you talk about production costs when it comes to most of the Disney afternoon shows what type of production cost can they brag about when it was not one single extra on any of the sets i.e. Ducktales, Rescue Rangers, Tailspin etc. There was not one iota of remastering so I don't think they suffered a loss in producing any of those particular sets. If going by product pages and comments on places like Amazon you can tell loads of people brought Ducktales, myself personally sold loads of those sets in a smaller retail operation and I know that show has a lot of fans and that series sold particular well even without Disney pushing it. All Disney puts the advertising muscle behind is the 10th version of Lion King, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast etc.. If they put even half the promotion into the Disney Afternoon shows they would sell a ton better, lots of people buy those sets who grew up watching and buy them also to show their children now.
It's just a slap in the face to fans when they stop at 1 volume left at finishing a show, give me a break about them taking a loss. They could easily start a MOD program if that was the case and only burn what was needed, I am sure the quality would look just the same as the retail sets since no care was put to make them look any better. Disney is like the Microsoft of Entertainment, they buy up all the properties like Marvel and just sit on it. They formula is just tired, release something retire it and bring it out so many years later and if you search online it's not uncommon for movies to be remastered to a better quality in a few versions but companies sit on the best one so they can release it at a later date so you have to buy that version too.
I love Disney properties like a lot of other fans here but to give them a pass like they are losing a whole bunch of money if they release these shows is a bunch of bull! There is always a way and to treat something you own with the respect it deserves. This is the same Disney that it is alleged online wouldn't let their costumed characters walk around the parks as much so people couldn't get as much free pictures with them so you had to go to photozone or whatever that is called. Disney has oodles of money and if they had the proper people there who knew how to release retro they would make money. Just ask Hallmark how they f&*ed up the Filmation catalog and sold it to E.Rights who turned from a small company in the UK to a major player in the US who ended up buying Classic Media.
Well that is my rant for the day, it's not personal but I just wanted to get out my POV and many others who are true fans out there!
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| 9/24/2011 4:57 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | | I would like Gargoyles to be released in a complete series set. |
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| 9/25/2011 3:49 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | Disney doesn't license out their properties to other companies. That said, Disney HAS started doing MOD titles, so it's a possibility that Gargoyles will finally be completed that way. But it most definitely will NOT be from Shout Factory.
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| 9/25/2011 5:00 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | | I hope Disney will license Gargoyles to Shout! Factory for Gargoyles to be released in a complete series set. |
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| 9/27/2011 5:43 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | Brian,
I want all the Disney Afternoon Shows to be licensed to Shout! Factory including Gargoyles and want Shout! Factory to release Gargoyles on DVD in a complete series set. Thank you.
Jonny |
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| 9/27/2011 6:12 PM |
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ILDC
Member since: 12/20/2010 | | RE: Gargoyles | It's more like, they don't fully license out their "Disney" properties to other home video companies.
----- Original Post -----
by Zaranyzerak at 9/25/2011 3:49:51 PM
Disney doesn't license out their properties to other companies. That said, Disney HAS started doing MOD titles, so it's a possibility that Gargoyles will finally be completed that way. But it most definitely will NOT be from Shout Factory.
The Multimedia Chronicles and more: http://www.zaranyzerak.com |
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| 9/27/2011 6:28 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | I am sorry and was just checking of wanting Disney to license Gargoyles to Shout! Factory to be released in a complete series dvd set with all episodes and more bonus features.
Jonny |
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| 9/27/2011 9:01 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | | Disney licensed out Boy Meets World to Lionsgate. It wouldn't shock me if some day they licensed out cartoons with non-classic Disney characters. |
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| 9/28/2011 3:35 AM |
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ILDC
Member since: 12/20/2010 | | RE: Gargoyles | Well that's ABC/Touchstone.
----- Original Post -----
by N8 Storm at 9/27/2011 9:01:15 PM
Disney licensed out Boy Meets World to Lionsgate. It wouldn't shock me if some day they licensed out cartoons with non-classic Disney characters. |
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| 9/28/2011 2:21 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | That's not even remotely the same thing. As another poster said, Disney doesn't license out their Disney branded titles. It wasn't "Disney's Boy Meets World," it was from their ABC/Touchstone branch. You won't see another company releasing Mickey Mouse cartoons, likewise you won't see another company releasing "Disney's Gargoyles" or any of their other Disney-branded titles. Same goes for Duck Tales, Talespin, Rescue Rangers, Darkwing Duck, etc. Nobody will ever release those except Disney.
The only chance we have of seeing those completed is if Disney includes them as part of their new MOD program. Otherwise, don't hold your breath. But one thing is for certain - NONE of them will be coming form Shout Factory. So you can bug Shout Factory about it until you're blue in the face, but it's completely out of their hands. Disney doesn't license out their stuff. Period.
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| 9/28/2011 2:40 PM |
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ericnuceram623343434
Member since: 9/28/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | 6 Days Left To Boy Meets World The Final Season Before Gargoyles Shout! Factory tvshowsondvd.com 6 Days Left to Go |
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| 9/28/2011 3:18 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | Never say never. There is a first time for everything. While I don't think they'd license out a show like Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers that has classic characters in it and I think a MOD release through Disney Generations is more likely, it wouldn't shock me to see them license out a property like Gargoyles some day.
Some people on here used to say that GoBots would never come out on DVD, but it did. |
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| 9/28/2011 11:36 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | Again, not the same thing. The only thing holding up GoBots was Hasbro's reluctance to give Warner the okay to release it. It's still coming out from the company that owns it - Warner.
I'm sure we will see the rest of Gargoyles at some point, I didn't say otherwise. All I said was it's not going to be from anyone other than Disney. Classic characters or not, it's a 100% Disney production. Not Touchstone, not ABC. So the only company that's going to release it is Disney. Disney has never licensed out their in house stuff, and never will. Normally I'd be inclined to agree that one should never say never - but not where Disney is concerned.
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| 9/29/2011 7:56 AM |
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ericnucera645m343334
Member since: 9/29/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | | 5 Days Left Boy Meets World The Final Season DVD!!!! |
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| 9/29/2011 10:05 AM |
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ILDC
Member since: 12/20/2010 | | RE: Gargoyles | | How "Disney" are The Muppets? |
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| 9/30/2011 12:09 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | The Muppets is a property Disney bought. So while not made by them originally, they now own it.
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| 9/30/2011 1:18 PM |
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ILDC
Member since: 12/20/2010 | | RE: Gargoyles | They seem okay with licensing The Muppets to other home video companies, at least when The Jim Henson Company or Sesame Workshop is involved. The Muppets are so far more associated with the Disney brand than Marvel.
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by Zaranyzerak at 9/30/2011 12:09:38 PM
The Muppets is a property Disney bought. So while not made by them originally, they now own it.
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| 9/30/2011 4:09 PM |
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Darkaxx
Member since: 6/12/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | What the f*@k have this to do with the Gargoyles Subject Follow the Topic.
Disney and 21 st Can eat ...
End of that. |
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| 9/30/2011 9:42 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | Again, this isn't even close to the same thing. Muppets is a property that they bought, not something they made, so they don't have a "Disney Brand" interest vested in it. Something like Gargoyles, which is a 100% pure Disney production and even goes by the title "Disney's Gargoyles" isn't something they would farm out to another company. Just as they wouldn't with any of their other Disney branded titles or movies.
It won't happen unless Disney does it themselves. Can we all just accept this and move on now?
The Multimedia Chronicles and more: http://www.zaranyzerak.com |
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| 9/30/2011 9:45 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | Actually, instead of biting everyone's heads off, how about following the THREAD and see how the original topic led to that specific post. It was a relevant part of the overall discussion.
----- Original Post -----
by Darkaxx at 9/30/2011 4:09:36 PM
What the f*@k have this to do with the Gargoyles Subject Follow the Topic.
Disney and 21 st Can eat ...
End of that.
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| 9/30/2011 10:12 PM |
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ILDC
Member since: 12/20/2010 | | RE: Gargoyles | Anchor Bay did once release The Black Hole, but with little references to Disney it seems.
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Hole-Maximilian-Schell/dp/6305342776/ |
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| 10/1/2011 6:04 AM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | | I'm still of the same opinion. No one is going to change anyone else's mind here, so it's an agree to disagree thing. |
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| 10/3/2011 8:23 AM |
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ericnuceram2332
Member since: 10/3/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | | 1 Day Left to Go Complete Your Collection of Boy Meets World on DVD!!!! |
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| 10/15/2011 1:42 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | Thank you for your messages. It was such a pleasure talking with you
today about your favorite Disney show, Gargoyles.
I appreciate your patience waiting until today, Friday, October 14, 2011
for me to provide you with an answer from the team at Walt Disney
Studios Home Entertainment. I know that you?re very excited about the
news that more episodes of this series are going to be released.
The response from the Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment team about
your question is that they will release the remaining episodes of
Gargoyles Seasons 2 and 3 sometime in 2012. They cannot comment on the
specific release date for the remaining episodes of Seasons 2 and 3, or
on whether they will be releasing a complete series DVD set containing
Seasons 1, 2 and 3.
At this time, I will have no further information about the release of
the remaining episodes of Gargoyles Seasons 2 and 3 until Wednesday,
December 14, 2011. I will write to you then with an update.
If you have further questions about this or any other Walt Disney
Studios Home Entertainment DVD titles, please contact Consumer Relations
at 800-723-4763, where any of the representatives will be happy to speak
with you.
Sherry Baker
Disney Store.com Guest Services |
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| 10/15/2011 6:15 PM |
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Lord Ferrok
Member since: 6/16/2010 | | RE: Gargoyles | | So they are releasing it? Or are you just asking questions again? |
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| 10/15/2011 7:14 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | I am not asking questions and just updating you when i got an email from d23 guest services of sherry baker that the team at Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment is releasing the remaining episodes of Gargoyles Complete Seasons 2 and 3 on DVD in 2012 and we will have to wait for more information on the release for the remaining episodes of Gargoyles Seasons 2 and 3 on DVD.
Jonny |
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| 10/16/2011 11:12 AM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | Awesome news, Jonny! Thanks for the update!
The Multimedia Chronicles and more:
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| 10/16/2011 12:35 PM |
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janhall47
Member since: 4/27/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | | I will buy it, when it comes out. I am still waiting for Gummi Bears Volume 2 Seasons 4-6, Ducktales Volume 4, Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers Volume 3, Talespin Volume 3 and Darkwing Duck Volume 3. |
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| 10/16/2011 12:40 PM |
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Darkaxx
Member since: 6/12/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | Hey It's always smart not to Give up Our Hope
There you Go Disney is finally on the Track again..
Hope 21st. Fox will be the same. |
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| 10/16/2011 1:50 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | Will the remaining episodes of Gargoyles Complete Seasons 2 and 3 be released on DVD by retail along with Disney Afternoon shows by retail?
jonny |
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| 10/16/2011 8:46 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | | That contact person you e-mailed would be your best source. If it is coming out, I'd guess they are licensing it out to another company or through Disney Generations, since Disney probably would have released it by now if they were going to directly release it themselves to retail. If Gargoyles does ends up getting more releases, I do hope we get shows like Gummi Bears, DuckTales, and Rescue Rangers as well. It seems like all the shows that Jonny gets behind eventually get releases... |
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| 10/17/2011 3:09 PM |
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Waspinator
Member since: 6/1/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | | Over on Toonzone, their Disney Home Video Contacts had this to say,
"No current plans to release Gargoyles on DVD" per my Disney clients."
Unless you can provide us with proof this letter is legit or provide us with something else, it looks like Gargoyles won't be coming.
http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?288327-New-Gargoyles-DVDs-coming-in-2012&p=3922800#post3922800 |
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| 10/17/2011 4:10 PM |
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Lord Ferrok
Member since: 6/16/2010 | | RE: Gargoyles | | Darn, I knew it was too good to be true. At least youtube has them. |
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| 10/26/2011 5:21 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Gargoyles | | An administrator at toonzone got an e-mail similar to Jonny's. |
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| 10/27/2011 3:20 AM |
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Waspinator
Member since: 6/1/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | Yeah, two different people getting confirmation proves it will happen.
http://www.toonzone.net/forums/showthread.php?288327-New-Gargoyles-DVDs-coming-in-2012-(Update-Confirmed)/page2
----- Original Post -----
by N8 Storm at 10/26/2011 5:21:37 PM
An administrator at toonzone got an e-mail similar to Jonny's.
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| 11/3/2011 8:09 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | I never doubted the legitimacy of jonny's e-mail for a second. He doesn't make stuff like that up. He just doesn't. I say again, THANKS JONNY for being the first to bring it to our attention. Now the eager anticipation and waiting begins...
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| 11/5/2011 5:39 AM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | I got an email from Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment Consumer Relations that "There are tentative plans to release the rest of Gargoyles Series on DVD in 2012 and no further details are available at this time".
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| 11/9/2011 1:34 PM |
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ericnucera49123
Member since: 11/9/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | | Stay Tuned From Shout! Factory |
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| 11/9/2011 1:35 PM |
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ericnucera49123
Member since: 11/9/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | | After Boy Meets World In Finished Start To Gargoyles: The Complete Series Shout! Factory |
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| 11/9/2011 1:36 PM |
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ericnucera49123
Member since: 11/9/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | Brian,
I want all the Disney Afternoon Shows to be licensed to Shout! Factory including Gargoyles and want Shout! Factory to release Gargoyles on DVD in a complete series set. Thank you On tvshowsondvd.com Stay with Us
Jonny
Read more @: Shout! Factory Community - Gargoyles |
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| 11/9/2011 7:32 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | | Email Disney at disneyinfo@disneyhelp.com to ask them of if they are going to release the rest of Gargoyles Season 2, Volume 2 and Season 3 both on DVD in 2012? |
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| 11/12/2011 11:28 AM |
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janhall47
Member since: 4/27/2011 | | RE: Gargoyles | I called Disney, saying if they are going to release the rest of Gargoyles in 2012. They said tentative plans.
1-800-723-4763 DisneyDVD.com/support |
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| 11/12/2011 3:47 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Gargoyles | Why did they say tentative plans to release the rest of Gargoyles Series on DVD in 2012 from Disney? I'm looking forward of getting the rest of Gargoyles Series on DVD in 2012 of Season 2, Volume 2 and Season 3 to complete the series.
Jonny |
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| 11/12/2011 7:34 PM |
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Lord Ferrok
Member since: 6/16/2010 | | RE: Gargoyles | | Am I the only one hoping they don't release season 3?
and are ericnucera49123 and jmodlin210 the same guy? |
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