| 7/4/2010 3:19 PM |
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videotrading
Member since: 7/9/2007 | | 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | I walked into a couple of stores recently including Borders in Pasadena, California. I noticed every single one of their TV shows on DVD were recent shows. I did not see one 80's show. I saw Friends, Dog Whisperer (who knew?) and many other 90's 2000's shows.
I know Shout! can't afford a lot of advertising, but I think it is highly unlikely we will see complete series of shows like Small Wonder, Mr. Belvedere, My Two Dads unless something is done. I am sure many fans of these shows aren't aware of "Shout Select" even.
While TVshowsondvd is great, I think there should be a domain for each decade. Like 80sdvds.com or the80sdvds.com and so on. That would be an easy way for people to go to and buy shows they want from that decade.
Is there something like this yet? |
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| 7/4/2010 3:24 PM |
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zaxxar
Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | | No there isn't.
And honestly, if SF seems to think that at this moment, the only way to truly complete those 80's shows that you mentioned was to release them only through "Shout! Select", then so be it.
Also remember that pretty much no one in the general public would even remotely care for those 80's shows that you mentioned. But here on the internet, SF can get a real niche audience out of them. |
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| 7/4/2010 5:39 PM |
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carl83
Member since: 9/11/2009 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | | I agree I can't tell you how many friends I had didn't even know season 4, of Mr Belvedere was even out. Somebody on here said release the series as a complete set in a very small number and if it does well release it by sets I really liked that idea. |
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| 7/4/2010 7:24 PM |
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tazz765
Member since: 12/20/2008 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | If they spend money on advertising they would have to sell more sets to make a profit making the chances of getting the next season of these series lower. I'd rather have no advertising and have (for example) a selling requirement of 1,000 sets than have money spent on advertisements and have them have to sell 1,500 sets. A small suggestion though: I know they plug their Shout Select titles on their Facebook page but they should plug them on Youtube as well since that is free advertising.
Stores only have so much shelf space and the fact of the matter is however we look at it newer shows sell better than older shows. As much as I like Shout and their releases the bigger studios are going to get first dibs on shelf space because they produce the newest films and stores are not going to anger them by not giving their releases space.
If Shout Select is the only way to get these older TV shows than its better than not getting them at all. If any other studio was releasing these shows we probably would have never gotten past Season 1. Besides I order all my DVDs online anyways since they are (almost) always cheaper online and I don't have to worry about a store having my title or if they even got it in to begin with. Most people if they like a show and want to next season they are going to search online to find out when the next season is coming out. If I google "Mr. Belvedere Season 4" the second item is the TVshowsondvd article telling me where I can buy season 4. |
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| 7/5/2010 5:58 PM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | There's a pretty fantastic article talking about the lack of retro television on DVD in brick 'n' mortar stores over at TVShowsOnDVD.com. Gord does a nice job of explaining why it is you can't find what you're looking for. Ask me, it's an outrage. People want their favorite shows on DVD.
You can find Gord's article on the matter here: http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Site-News-classic-TV-shows-missing/13991
Brian
Follow me on Twitter! (@BWard028) |
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| 7/6/2010 1:27 PM |
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sdrawkcab
Member since: 6/10/2009 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | | great article, thanks for the link Brian. i know it's not a 80s show but i recently had to go to 4 different stores to find Mad About You season 4. i'm seriously beginning to think about buying all my dvds/cds online. for those who don't or won't use a credit card, most brick-n-mortar stores allow you to buy gift cards in store and then use them at the online version of that store. It beats paying a service charge for a prepaid credit card. |
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| 7/17/2010 11:24 PM |
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videotrading
Member since: 7/9/2007 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | I honestly think it would be better for SHOUT to release some shows as a complete set if you can. I think Small Wonder, Mr. Belvedere, etc.. would have all sold well as a complete set.
The complete series of Gimme a Break is being released in Canada only (by VEI) and it's a currently #61 in sales (listed under bestsellers) at Amazon.ca . That is with Canada already releasing the first two seasons separately a few years back.
I think Shout should consider more complete sets. Thanks
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| 7/18/2010 8:45 AM |
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TV_Fan
Member since: 7/5/2007 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | I agree but I think it's better if it's a show with about 6 seasons or less. I definitely would have bought a complete series set of Mr Belvedere right off the bat. I don't know about Small Wonder, but I'm sure most SW fans would have sprang for a complete series. A show with too many seasons means higher prices which is a deterrent to a lot of people.
I'm glad VEI is doing right by their fans with the complete series set of GAB. There's a few people bitching on amazon saying it's not fair, but the majority of fans are happily buying this set. I already have the first two seasons too but am glad I don't have to go through the agony of wondering if the next season will be released. That's kind of what I'm going through now with Mr Belvedere  .
Please bring "Starman" the 1986-87 tv series, Silver Spoons seasons 2 & beyond and Jennifer Slept Here to DVD. |
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| 7/18/2010 9:04 AM |
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zaxxar
Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | That reminds me. I read your post over at Sitcoms Online that even though Brian didn't come out and say it directly, he hinted that season 5 would probably released (albeit not in the immediate future), even though season 4 sold very poorly.
And yes, shame on that one member on this forum who insulted him. |
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| 7/20/2010 9:39 AM |
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videotrading
Member since: 7/9/2007 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | TV_Fan,
I agree with you. If a series has 6 seasons or less, it should be sold as a complete series. Gimme a Break is now #20 on Amazon.ca and #3 in the catagory (comedy tv series).
I just think that is a good example of a show that was not incredibly popular, but as sold as a complete series, it is doing quite well. I too bought the first two seasons, but I am still getting the complete series.
I also agree with Mr. Belvedere. I am also waiting for that to come out. :( It's horrible not knowing if a series will be complete or not. |
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| 7/22/2010 4:21 AM |
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LittleMissGenius
Member since: 7/3/2009 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | I really do wish more companies would just release shows in complete sets. A series that ran for four seasons or so is perfect for such a release. I think a lot of companies would see an increase of sales if they went that route instead of leaking out sets every few years or just releasing one season and then stopping due to "poor sales". I personally think that's just a cop out a lot of companies use just so they don't have to release further seasons of older television shows.
I think a lot of people would be a lot more willing to plunk down $80 or so knowing they had the entire set of a series, than take a chance and only get one season of a show they love. Warner Bros. is notorious for this kind of stunt. They should take a page out of Shout!'s book and do an online store for their television shows. |
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| 7/22/2010 10:42 AM |
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sdrawkcab
Member since: 6/10/2009 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | | I'd just like to add that the very first tv-dvd I bought was the complete series of the original Battlestar Galatica. I remember justifying the purchase because I could get everything episode in one shot. Sure the show only ran for one season, but i didn't know that at the time, having only seen it in reruns when I was a little kid. In case anyone is wondering, the show was retooled & renamed as Galatica 1980 for another season, which had a seperate dvd release years later. |
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| 7/22/2010 2:06 PM |
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tazz765
Member since: 12/20/2008 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | One of the problems I can see with studios releasing single season sets at such a slow pace is that people might not know the next season is even out. Let me explain: If someone is in a store and buys say Diff'rent Strokes season 1 and watches it and likes it and wants to buy Season 2 on their next trip they look and see they don't have it no big deal. After the fourth or fifth time of not having it they will probably forget about Season 2 and stop looking for it. Now fast forward to Jan 2006 around a year and a half from the release of Season 1, Season 2 comes out, now unless this person wonders by the TV shows section at their store and happens to spot Season 2 they are not going to know it is even out. They never purchase it and if others are in the same boat Season 2 is going to sell poorly which means no Season 3, 4, etc. Now they could look on the internet but I'm sure only the die hard TV on DVD collectors are even going to think of doing that.
A lot of people say that the problem with complete series set is that someone might only want a few shows or are not sure if they would want to own a complete series set. Here is my solution: on the same date release both the complete series set and a one disc "best of" featuring 6 or 7 shows for $10 or so. People who are fans of the series are going to buy the complete series set and people who just want a few episodes or who might not be that familiar with a series or don't remember it can buy the best of. If the people who buy the best of like that disc than they will turn around and buy the complete series disc. I'm sure others would agree with me that we would rather pay $15-20 more for a complete series set knowing we have all the episodes than pay a little less and wonder if we are going to get the next season of a show |
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| 7/22/2010 3:34 PM |
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carl83
Member since: 9/11/2009 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | | I wanted to get a few things off my chest I stopped posting on here because I got to the point I couldn't stand zaxxar,you are one of the biggest idiots I have ever seen in the messageboard world you didn't even buy season 4 and you yell and cry for season 5 you are part of the reason there will never be a season 5 anybody think otherwise keep waiting you will be very unhappy I promise you that until these companies realize that the only way to release shows like Mr.Belvedere, and Small Wonder, is to release the whole series in a limited production number is the only way you can sell these dvd's Hey Zaxxar, you should keep your head out of that idiot Brian Ward's butt. |
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| 7/22/2010 4:19 PM |
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zaxxar
Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | And just like that carl83, you are added to the list of people who insulted Brian Ward for no rhyme or reason. I have my reasons for not getting season 4 as of right now. I never said I wouldn't. You should be disgusted in yourself for insulting him. If you're not, get out of my sight this instant!
GET OUT OF HERE, AND DON'T YOU EVER COME BACK TO THESE BOARDS EVER AGAIN! YOU HEAR ME?!
ANYONE WHO INSULTS BRIAN WARD SHOULD BE PERMANENTLY BANNED FROM THESE BOARDS, AND THAT MEANS YOU CARL83, YOU HEAR ME?!!!! YOU!!!!!!!! |
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| 7/22/2010 6:31 PM |
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themeister
Member since: 7/4/2007 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | I'm actually one of those people against complete series boxsets. My reasoning ranges from pricing to packaging, to level of fandom and being able to easily digest a show without the risk of overkill. I'm probably in the minority though. However, I do love your idea of a 'Best Of' set which is released on or soon after a Complete Series set.
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by tazz765 at 7/22/2010 2:06:25 PM
A lot of people say that the problem with complete series set is that someone might only want a few shows or are not sure if they would want to own a complete series set. Here is my solution: on the same date release both the complete series set and a one disc "best of" featuring 6 or 7 shows for $10 or so.
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| 7/22/2010 7:35 PM |
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TV_Fan
Member since: 7/5/2007 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | As I mentioned earlier, I think if a show doesn't have too many seasons it's a better candidate for a complete series set. That would presumably make the price lower. I'll give an example of what I would like to see happen to a show I really think would be a great candidate for a complete series set (and also fits in great with this thread). I think Silver Spoons, which only ran for 5 seasons, if acquired by Shout! should be released as a complete series. Stores may be more likely to carry it, if its a slim enough case. Since all the seasons discs would already be authored, Shout! could also release individual seasons (perhaps as Shout! Select titles). This way fans who bought the first season released by Sony can't complain. They are given the choice. All Shout! has to do is come up with inexpensive packaging for the season releases. Fans who are truly inent on owning the entire series would be set, and fans who only want a season or two could have their way as well. Presumably the entire series would be licnesed in one shot, so it wouldn't be a matter of not having the rights to all seasons. This seems to be the case with The Larry Sanders Show. Who knows if the individual seasons will be released on their own. Shout! did it with The Transformers & G I Joe, and brick & mortar stores are carrying the individual seasons of those as well. Just my two cents.
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by themeister at 7/22/2010 6:31:13 PM
I'm actually one of those people against complete series boxsets. My reasoning ranges from pricing to packaging, to level of fandom and being able to easily digest a show without the risk of overkill. I'm probably in the minority though. However, I do love your idea of a 'Best Of' set which is released on or soon after a Complete Series set.
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by tazz765 at 7/22/2010 2:06:25 PM
A lot of people say that the problem with complete series set is that someone might only want a few shows or are not sure if they would want to own a complete series set. Here is my solution: on the same date release both the complete series set and a one disc "best of" featuring 6 or 7 shows for $10 or so.
Please bring "Starman" the 1986-87 tv series, Silver Spoons seasons 2 & beyond and Jennifer Slept Here to DVD. |
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| 7/22/2010 9:40 PM |
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zaxxar
Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | | Could someone please do something about carl83? After he insulted Brian Ward, he shouldn't come here ever again! |
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| 7/23/2010 3:14 PM |
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sdrawkcab
Member since: 6/10/2009 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | If someone only wanted a few shows, which i take it you mean episodes, why would they even consider purchasing a dvd? To me it would make more sense that those people would hope for the availability of downloading individual episodes from itunes, amazon etc. i guess i'm a "die hard TV on DVD collector" in your words because i'm always looking for information about when the next season of a show is coming up or a show that has yet to be released. I'm the one who's been waiting outside to get into wherever has it the cheapest on release day as soon as they open.
On the issue of complete series sets, the biggest issue i have is with the packaging. Are the discs going to be well protected is probably the biggest concern i have along with how well will it fit on the shelf with all the other seasons/sets of other shows. price can also be somewhat of an issue. i recently heard about the Six Millon Dollar Man being released as a complete series on 40 discs, and my first thoughts were: What's the bitrate? & How much is that going to cost?
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by tazz765 at 7/22/2010 2:06:25 PM
One of the problems I can see with studios releasing single season sets at such a slow pace is that people might not know the next season is even out. Let me explain: If someone is in a store and buys say Diff'rent Strokes season 1 and watches it and likes it and wants to buy Season 2 on their next trip they look and see they don't have it no big deal. After the fourth or fifth time of not having it they will probably forget about Season 2 and stop looking for it. Now fast forward to Jan 2006 around a year and a half from the release of Season 1, Season 2 comes out, now unless this person wonders by the TV shows section at their store and happens to spot Season 2 they are not going to know it is even out. They never purchase it and if others are in the same boat Season 2 is going to sell poorly which means no Season 3, 4, etc. Now they could look on the internet but I'm sure only the die hard TV on DVD collectors are even going to think of doing that.
A lot of people say that the problem with complete series set is that someone might only want a few shows or are not sure if they would want to own a complete series set. Here is my solution: on the same date release both the complete series set and a one disc "best of" featuring 6 or 7 shows for $10 or so. People who are fans of the series are going to buy the complete series set and people who just want a few episodes or who might not be that familiar with a series or don't remember it can buy the best of. If the people who buy the best of like that disc than they will turn around and buy the complete series disc. I'm sure others would agree with me that we would rather pay $15-20 more for a complete series set knowing we have all the episodes than pay a little less and wonder if we are going to get the next season of a show |
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| 7/23/2010 3:33 PM |
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zaxxar
Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | | Guys, this is no joke. Carl83 needs to be banned this instant for insulting Brian Ward. Don't you even care how hurt Brian is over something like that? |
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| 7/23/2010 4:11 PM |
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themeister
Member since: 7/4/2007 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | Are you talking about his post in this thread or another one? If it's this thread, then I doubt Brian would be 'hurt' at all. A forum is a forum.
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by zaxxar at 7/23/2010 3:33:01 PM
Guys, this is no joke. Carl83 needs to be banned this instant for insulting Brian Ward. Don't you even care how hurt Brian is over something like that? |
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| 7/23/2010 4:41 PM |
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zaxxar
Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: 80's shows on DVD... in stores? | I'm referring to what Carl83 said at 7/22/2010 3:34 P.M.
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by themeister at 7/23/2010 4:11:37 PM
Are you talking about his post in this thread or another one? If it's this thread, then I doubt Brian would be 'hurt' at all. A forum is a forum.
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