| 6/28/2010 1:37 PM |
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Mark Way
Member since: 10/10/2009 | | The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | Hey Brian
With the WONDERFUL, long-awaited announcement of All in the Family being saved from abandonment from Sony, do related Norman Lear shows that are in the same predicament, The Jeffersons, Maude, One Day at a Time, and Archie Bunker's Place have a hope of receiving the same fate??? It would be nice to know if there is any hope. |
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| 6/28/2010 6:43 PM |
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thedude7
Member since: 4/27/2009 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | I hoping that Shout! Factory can gain the rights to the Jeffersons after they finish All in the Family!
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| 6/29/2010 9:10 AM |
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PMARTIN
Member since: 5/30/2009 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | I have just finished watching season 4 of "The Jeffersons" and some of the episodes were just hilarious. I hope Shout! will release the rest of the seasons , if not I 'll never see the rest of it . (French TV has never picked it up) |
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| 7/8/2010 11:55 PM |
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JustJim70118
Member since: 7/8/2010 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | Maude and The Jeffersons are a MUST! They just don't make shows like those any more. Thank goodness they've picked up All In the Family. |
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| 7/11/2010 10:31 AM |
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GAMESHARQ
Member since: 7/11/2010 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | I'm all for The Jeffersons.
I have seasons 1-6 and I'd love for Shout to release seasons 7-11. Please? :) |
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| 7/19/2010 4:14 PM |
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thedude7
Member since: 4/27/2009 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | Perhaps for the Holiday of 2010, or in 2011, Shout! Factory CAN gain the rights to The Jeffersons and release season 7 and above!
Fingers crossed!
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| 7/22/2010 9:44 AM |
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PF7074
Member since: 4/5/2010 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | Please, SF, try to work out a deal with Sony for the remaining seasons of "Maude". Season 1 was just an appetizer, and this viewer is very hungry for more! |
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| 9/12/2010 6:37 AM |
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my2goldens
Member since: 9/12/2010 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | Maude and Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman are a MUST! |
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| 12/11/2010 8:00 PM |
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JustJim70118
Member since: 7/8/2010 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | Come on! The public wants Maude, The Jeffersons, and Mary Hartman Mary Hartman!
The Shout Factory could have come away with a big win by announcing Maude after Bea Arthur's death. (I would rather her still be alive. However, since she's not, we need her on DVD!) |
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| 12/11/2010 9:24 PM |
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Soapsuds
Member since: 10/24/2009 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | Same here...wanting Maude and The Jeffersons and Maude on DVD. I have the previous seasons of them. |
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| 12/11/2010 9:31 PM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | JustJim, I'm kinda giggling at the notion that we missed a great opportunity there. It's not like we're ignoring you guys. What part of "studios have to be willing to part with their titles" are people not understanding? The door swings both ways. We have to want it. They have to be willing to part with it. And in the end, if the terms are right, we make big announcements. But don't walk away with some conclusion that because we haven't announced it, we don't want it.
In addition, you should know that it takes months--and, in some cases, years--to sign a deal. We'd have to have been considerably "lucky" to have announced its release right after Bea Arthur's death. It's not like we were holding onto the rights, just waiting for her to die. And, on the other hand, we certainly wouldn't have been able to make a deal this soon after her death, if we'd begun with its announcement, either.
Studios are shrewd. So are we. We all know what we're doing in the negotiation room and, sometimes, that can mean that it takes a little longer for products to make it out to you guys. But, hopefully, they do make it out eventually.
Brian
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| 12/11/2010 10:11 PM |
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ElectricPeterTork
Member since: 6/25/2010 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | Perhaps some of the confusion stems from a lot of titles being lumped together in the minds of people, and some escape the vault while others don't.
For example, The Facts of Life made it out, but the show that spawned it, Diff'rent Strokes, is still MIA.
Or, All in the Family gets back on the schedule, while it's spin-offs, the Jeffersons and Maude are still waiting for further releases.
Maybe people are thinking that if you got one series, you have the rights to all of 'em, but are keeping the others back for some reason. |
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| 12/11/2010 10:17 PM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | It's a possible thought, sure. I think one thing to take into account is the fact that several volumes of shows like All In The Family and The Fact Of Life had already been released by the time we got them. Clearly, they weren't selling well enough for them, so they licensed them out and made a little money that way. While others are untapped and still potentially profitable for them. Ever since our unexpected success with Freaks And Geeks a few years back, studios have been cautious about what they do and don't release. Sometimes, it's a complete mystery.
Brian
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| 12/12/2010 6:28 AM |
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DaveC
Member since: 12/12/2010 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | It is interesting that a show as popular and influential in its day as All in the Family would not be a huge seller on DVD. Well, it was very topical and while I still remember most of the references when I see reruns of the show, sometimes I find myself scratching my head because I have totally forgotten what political issue they are referring to. If you ever see episodes of The Dick Van Dyke Show you will notice that there are rarely ever comments about current events or celebrities or movies, etc. I once read that Carl Reiner did that deliberately, because he knew that in later years when people watched the show they would not get the references. |
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| 12/12/2010 11:00 AM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | I think there are a couple things to take into account...
1.) The audience. Now, when I say this, I'm obviously talking about the bulk of the audience, not the collector like yourselves. The majority of the audience tuned in every week to see the hilarious adventures of Archie and Edith Bunker when they were free. It was a half hour where people could sit back, relax and laugh. Does that same audience feel the need to own it? Not really. The majority of television viewers are happy with as few as ONE viewing of each episode. With syndication, they get the chance to see the episode (or at least MOST of it, though most folks don't know the difference) again and again. And, again, it's free. It's a completely different ballgame when they're being asked to pay to watch it. And, yes, I realize cable costs money, but it's subconscious. You're paying so much money to see ALL of the channels, not a particular amount to watch ONE show.
2.) The audience, part 2. Because we all buy a lot of DVDs/Blu-rays, we may find this hard to believe, but the majority of people don't spend their Tuesdays in Best Buy or Target or Wal-mart or surfing TVShowsOnDVD.com or the Home Theater Forum. In fact, based on DVD sales in the past few years--especially TV on DVD sales--FEWER people are spending their time in those stores and on those sites than ever. If people aren't cruising the aisles or surfing the 'net, they're probably looking back at All In The Family and thinking, "man, that was a good show. They just don't make shows like that anymore." What they don't know is that seven seasons are sitting at their local Best Buy right now. And if they're not thinking to check, they're certainly not thinking to buy. At least, not yet. Out of sight, out of mind.
3.) A "failure" to a major studio can be a "success" to Shout! Factory. That doesn't mean that we're outselling the major studio. In fact, we're not. We're very much not. Traditionally, each subsequent season drops in sales for a number of reasons. Perhaps you immediately bought S1 and intend to buy S2, but haven't had the time. Or maybe you didn't have the money. And then, S3 comes out. Well, you haven't picked up S2, yet, so you obviously won't be picking up S3, yet. And so on and so on. But back to the point at hand. A studio is charged an arm and a leg to produce a DVD or Blu-ray. Much more than a small indie label like Shout! Factory. Why? Because they can afford it. But if they don't sell roughly 100,000 units in the first year, they've lost a lot of money. And, like us, they can't afford to spend money on something that's under performing. So they give up on it. However, because we're an indie, we get price breaks from authoring houses, etc. So we can afford to sell fewer. In our case, if we don't sell 20,000-30,000, it's iffy that we'll continue.
So when you hear that a studio or a label has abandoned a title, it's simply because the show--no matter how popular it was when it aired on television--just isn't selling to the same numbers. Doesn't mean the show wasn't a success or groundbreaking. It just means people don't necessarily think it's a must-own. Or they don't even know it's available.
Brian
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| 12/12/2010 11:20 AM |
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TV_Fan
Member since: 7/5/2007 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | In my case I only bought season five & six of AITF only after I heard Shout! was releasing season 7. I would probably have eventually gotten around to buying them, but I wanted to get S7 as soon as it came out so I got a jump start. So I think in some cases, a few at least, sales of previous seasons will pick up a little once the collector knows more seasons are on the way. I know that usually doesn't pertain to the general DVD buying public though.
Please bring "Starman" the 1986-87 tv series, Silver Spoons seasons 2 & beyond and Jennifer Slept Here to DVD. |
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| 12/12/2010 11:41 AM |
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Soapsuds
Member since: 10/24/2009 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | Let's just hope we get The Jefferson, Maude and One Day At a Time....I think I'd even take MOD from WB website if Shout cant get the rights for them. I have bought some MOD lately and they arent half bad. |
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| 12/12/2010 12:31 PM |
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ElectricPeterTork
Member since: 6/25/2010 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | Well, that's a nice thought, except WB doesn't own Maude, The Jeffersons, or One Day at a Time. |
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| 12/12/2010 2:56 PM |
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Soapsuds
Member since: 10/24/2009 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? |
I forgot that Sony owns them...nevermind...lol....Come on Shout..lets get these three out on DVD.
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by ElectricPeterTork at 12/12/2010 12:31:51 PM
Well, that's a nice thought, except WB doesn't own Maude, The Jeffersons, or One Day at a Time. |
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| 12/12/2010 5:52 PM |
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moorlock2003
Member since: 10/1/2009 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | "Maude" is a series that really needs to be released in its entirety. Some of the best episodes appeared late in its run; the ones with Mrs. Naugatuck are absolutely hilarious. The show was great from the beginning, but it really hit its stride when that old biddy from England showed up. |
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| 12/31/2010 11:46 AM |
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EdisonLite
Member since: 7/8/2010 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | I agree about the later "Maude" episodes with Mrs. Naugatuck being hilarious. I hope Shout can get the rights to release the later seasons, since obviously the current rights owner has no plans to release anything besides Season 1. And Brian, thank you for mentioning the statistics - how Shout needs to sell at least 20,000-30,000 and the majors needing 100,000 sales before even considering future volumes. I always wondered what kind of numbers these TV-DVDs sell. In the world of reissuing '70s and '80s music on CD, the small labels (and even some of the majors) that still do it (US and UK) hope to sell 3000-5000 copies. Those are the kind of numbers needed for reissued CDs. Obviously, TV shows require much higher numbers than CDs of old music. |
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| 12/31/2010 11:51 AM |
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EdisonLite
Member since: 7/8/2010 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | Brian, I know you said that each season of a TV show sells less the previous season, which is why many TV shows never see a full series released on DVD. Still, this makes me wonder how "Murder She Wrote" had all of its TWELVE seasons released on DVD. Statisically, the 12th season should be a very small number compared to the Season 1 sales. How do shows like this (and others with 10 or more seasons released entirely on DVD) manage to do it? |
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| 1/4/2011 6:30 AM |
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farrahflawless
Member since: 12/19/2008 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | Maude,Mary Hartman,Mary Hartman and One Day at A time are long overdue for follow up season releases. It's coming up on 4yrs since all season 1 of these shows were released and they should be on season 3 or 4 by now.
What a waste for these outstanding shows just sitting and collecting dust. I hope Shout,MPI or some company would get the rights and release them and get it over with. |
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| 1/17/2011 8:45 AM |
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harvsoul
Member since: 1/10/2011 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | No wonder why TV-on-DVD sales are crappy. They ignore the stuff that was influential or popular and put out the shows that you can currently see on TV ("Friends", "Two and a Half Men" and all that stuff). There is a market for the older shows, the studios just have no clue. This was why Sony laid off half of its home video staff, they were sitting on their classic stuff and releasing the stuff that no one really truly cares about. That can be another factor: RELEASING INFERIOR PRODUCT. |
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| 4/25/2011 7:17 PM |
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jstevens84
Member since: 4/25/2011 | | RE: The Jeffersons***Maude***One Day???? | | Please work on Family, One Day at A Time, Alice, A Different World. Can they not do both license them to networks and sell on DVD. I'm not getting it. SHOUT Help!!!!! |
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