| 9/11/2009 9:56 AM |
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PatC74
 Member since: 9/11/2009 | | Werewolf: Cancled | | It is so sad to see this series get cancled because of music rights. I was so looking forward to this coming out. This was my favorite show of all time. What a bunch of idiots. Can't they see that if someone HASN'T heard a song or artist and they like it when they hear it, that people would buy your music? I don't know who those 2 artists are that made this thing get cancled, but all I gotta say to them is GET A LIFE! |
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| 9/11/2009 3:45 PM |
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dtvhacker
 Member since: 2/10/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | are you sure thats offical last i heard it was delayed and trying to correct those issues i think the music liscense is stupid most of the time a song just plays a few seconds although i dont know this case how long |
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| 9/12/2009 8:14 PM |
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12thman
 Member since: 3/20/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | The music rights have really been a pain in the neck for alot of great shows to get a release. |
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| 9/12/2009 8:37 PM |
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PatC74
 Member since: 9/11/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | This is the official word from a reliable source on Yahoo's Werewolf forum:
It is with great sadness that I must deliver the devastating news that the
Werewolf TV Series will NOT be released to DVD. The Shout Factory has had to
abandon the project and give the series back to Sony.
The Shout Factory had to cancel the release because of two artists (which will
remain unnamed) that would not play ball. Sony does not have the individual
audio tracks, so they were unable to replace the songs, as the audio was mixed
together. The two songs were featured over dialogue scenes that could not be
cut. The Shout Factory's only option, even after spending a lot of time and
money on it, was to cancel it and give the title back to Sony. If Sony had the
audio tracks, it would have been easy to replace the two songs.
The Shout Factory and Sony are not at fault. This has happened due to the
greediness of the music industry.
So, twenty two years after the Werewolf series hit the airwaves, the fan made
copies of the original run and reruns will be the only testament of this great
series along with the web site I have put together.
...and may the venting begin.
Lone Wolf - Webmaster
http://www.werewolftv.com |
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| 9/12/2009 9:47 PM |
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dtvhacker
 Member since: 2/10/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | that really sucks i guess its time for a alternative source for the time being although i do hope something works out to get the release but it doesent look good at all |
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| 9/13/2009 12:56 AM |
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Earth591
 Member since: 9/13/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | I'm a musician/composer/broke sob, and still I have to wonder what the deal is with the artist/studios/whomever.. . .
WTF is wrong with these people that they would stand in the way of this series, in the name of a few dollar signs!?!!!
This series which is a work of art, and that they were fortunate enough to be asked to contribute to. . ..
These individuals should be ashamed.
May a sickened wolf bite these unnamed jerks in the ass!!
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| 9/13/2009 1:12 AM |
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mlucero1980
 Member since: 8/29/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | so if shout factory has to return the show back to sony will sony finally step up and release it realizing how much this show meant to so much of us.or are the artists preventing the show from being released completely? |
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| 9/13/2009 9:33 AM |
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lisacnt
 Member since: 12/8/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | this is the some thing that hapend to wkrp that is way we only get one season of that show on dvd. |
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| 9/13/2009 3:20 PM |
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chico
 Member since: 9/13/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | I came here from dreadcentral.com the news sucks. |
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| 9/13/2009 11:45 PM |
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Thomas
 Member since: 9/13/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | As I sit here in complete dismay at the news , that the Television Series "Werewolf" , will not be released due to arguing over music issues. The only thing that comes to mind is , are the two artist envolved in the cancelation of the release completly losing it. I can only speak for myself in saying that as a product of the '70's and '80's I did watch a lot of T.V. and alot of the music I bought , I usually heard on T.V. shows. If it were I that were presenting the case to the Artist whose names no one seems to know, I would point out to them that most music in todays age is bought via the internet from sources such as itunes , Napster,and many others. And those internet sources pay a proceed to the Artist.
Maybe , just maybe ,now if the people who buy the DVD's of "Werewolf " hear a song they havent heard in years , they might just go to one of the venues listed above and buy said music.
With all that said , didn't the artist in question get paid from the T.V. series originally ? Don't get me wrong I do believe that these Artist should get some royalties for the music they have recorded.But in a time when we as a country are struggling like we are right now . Maybe they shouldn't be so greedy.
I watched the series and loved it. I was deeply disappointed when it was canceled back in the '80's .I feel nothing but pity for the Artist that are standing in the way of this project from continuing , because if it is ever leaked who they are they will be getting alot of what people in the entertainment industry call " BAD PRESS ".And in all honesty I hope someone does leak it . These artist have made fortunes upon fortunes and for what they would spend on a lunch , they hold out on what could make them more money in the long run , and hold out on would be fans. I'm 40 years old , my kids love the music from my generation like wise I love the music from my parents. I say this because the music from the show featured different types of music from country to rock. From Randy Travis to Mike and The Mechanics.
Wake up and smell the coffee Artist , let us have this show , all of you artist will be remembered by future generations to come not just by your music but by the fact that you showed the world that money isn't everything. |
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| 9/14/2009 3:49 AM |
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Zaranyzerak
 Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Canceled | What?? NOOOOOOOO!!!! I have to say, I'm getting really sick and tired of great old shows being either messed up by having music replaced or having their releases cancelled due to greedy musicians wanting to much for the rights to their obscure 80's tune that hardly anyone remembers. Okay, so now it's cancelled. So rather than getting SOMETHING for your music, you now get NOTHING. Is that better? And WE get nothing as well. So everyone gets NOTHING. Thanks, Mr. Greedy musician sir. Hope your song makes a huge comeback someday and makes you oodles of money in royalties, never mind that this release might have helped that happen.
Me ticked? Naaaaaahhh! The fact that this was on my top 5 most wanted TV shows for DVD release doesn't mean anything.
My YouTube page, home of The Multimedia Chronicles: http://www.youtube.com/Zaranyzerak |
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| 9/14/2009 5:58 PM |
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John Anthony
 Member since: 5/2/2007 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | This was a DVD I was definitely planning on buying.
Thank you very much to Shout Factory for at least trying to release this. It's sad they went through so much trouble (and money) putting this release together only to have it derailed by two artists.
If it's ever revealed which two artists were the greedy ones, I would definitely consider removing those artists from the seven radio stations I program. If it's a giant artist that couldn't be removed, I would definitely put the songs in a much lighter rotation at the very least.
Music licensing is such a pain! |
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| 9/14/2009 7:21 PM |
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Thomas
 Member since: 9/13/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | All anyone has to do is ask the Group of artists know as Metalica .Metalicas records sales dropped because of the big stink the drummer of the band raised over royalties because of Napster.Granted he did have a point but he took it just a bit to far. Now the new music they have realeased is hardly played at radio stations. The old music isnt listen to hardly , And the New album they just relaeseed is basically a flop because everyone remembers what a stink they raised over royalties. They swore up and down they weren't sale outs and the they showed everyone that they are sale outs. I hope that it is leaked who the artists are ,that are keeping this Great show from the 80's being released to DVD , just so the world knows how big of saleouts they are. Shame on them. I would start a boycott against them.
We want WEREWOLF. And we want it 5 years ago. Please everyone involved in this, from the People at Shout Factory to all of us that are writing these Blogs, lets not give up . Just about all of us on this forum have signed the petition. I just wish we could get the rest on the petition to join this Blog.
Thank you Shout Facory for trying to get this project rolling , and for allowing us to vent our frustrations from our disappointments. Please keep fighting for this project.We the consumers will not let you down we will buy this when it gets released. |
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| 9/15/2009 6:48 AM |
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| 9/15/2009 6:41 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
 Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | That's a VERY good idea, MattMN! Bloody brilliant, actually! Hell, as a musician myself I'd happily do a couple of similar "feeling" tracks for free. Being "paid" by the publicity would be plenty enough for me. Come on, Shout - Let's pull our resources together and make a solution that costs AS LITTLE AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE just to stick it to those overly greedy musicians. ;) Most importantly, we'd finally be able to enjoy Werewolf on DVD.
My YouTube page, home of The Multimedia Chronicles: http://www.youtube.com/Zaranyzerak |
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| 9/15/2009 8:02 PM |
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Wolf873
 Member since: 9/15/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | @ Above. That is a good idea actually.
In any case, I don't see what the big problem is. The only two songs I remember are in the beginning of the Pilot. One is played when Ted is in the club and another when Eric is riding his car. The club soundtrack can be completely taken out, replaced with other music and custom sound effects can be added to compensate for loss of original tracks due to the music being mixed up with it. If the music is still audible in the background, well they can hire the actors as mentioned already to re-dub some dialogue. The car scene shouldn't be too hard to fix either with another music track.
Please guys at Shout Factory, think about these other routes and release the whole set, don't let this stupid licensing issues stop you.
Anyways, I have a question as well. When they talk about licensing music, doesn't it mean the artist would be getting paid for his music which would be included in the dvd? If yes, why is it such a big issue?
I'm quite saddened like all of you, I practically ticked off other stuff off of my list to buy just this DVD. |
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| 9/17/2009 12:37 PM |
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Stars1100
 Member since: 9/17/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | Hey man why don't we send out a message to all news media about two artists that have cancelled this DVD release because of their greediness, let us make a really BIG stink and perhaps this will give the music industry really bad press, at the same time I have the whole show on Video tape and will be releasing it to all warez sites within the next few weeks. I will keep ya all posted when the show will be available.
Stars1100 |
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| 9/21/2009 10:36 AM |
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Elric
 Member since: 2/2/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | Stupid question. If the DVDs really are cancelled, then why is Shout Factory still pre selling them here at their wbsite?
http://www.shoutfactorystore.com/prod.aspx?pfid=5257038&sid=F273EFD87D26471782184BD2D83449F4 |
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| 9/25/2009 11:02 PM |
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martymcintosh
 Member since: 9/21/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | Hi. Your right. These artist need to get a life rich or not. |
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| 9/26/2009 1:50 PM |
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martymcintosh
 Member since: 9/21/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled/And 2 Questions | | Hi. I would like to know when you get the downloads ready to go, will there be any user name or password that we all would need to get to the downloads? and 2. will we all be allowed to transfer the downloads of the episodes to dvd? thank you. |
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| 9/29/2009 10:20 AM |
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Replica
 Member since: 9/29/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | I can think of a number of things Shout Factory can do, if it's just the pilot which is effected. Recently my mother bought Little House on the Prairie and Waltons complete and both came without the pilot, which had to be purchased separately. Furthermore, I believe when Twin Peaks was originally released as a standalone first season DVD set it also didn't include the shows pilot, despite how much critical importance it was to the storyline. Now do not mistake me, I absolutely don't think you should just drop the pilot. But there are two things I imagine you may be able to do here without the presence of the master tape: 1) try some professional software, it may be able to isolate and remove the music track with some loss in audio quality, I can't imagine with all the massively expensive professional audio programs out there (such as what they are doing with .wav to notation and things like that which are comparatively minor) that someone hasn't got a program where you can filter it out reasonably effectively, I would also find it difficult to believe that someone hasn't created a piece of software which can further take from the track and predict where it is, what it's volume level is, etc. by comparing waveforms of the song to the soundtrack in moments of silence, thus removing the entire track and estimating the blanks... although I don't know of any such program and am only speculating. I done a quick search and Abode Audition was the only one mentioned with respect to removing music from audio, but I don't know how effective or complete it would be. 2) instead of deleting scenes, how about removing the audio track from those few minutes and giving subtitles instead. I think in films like La Strada and Le Notti di Cabiria, as released by Criterion Collection, featured deleted scenes reincoporated into the film. The problem with those deleted scenes is the soundtrack was not available. So what you get is sound one moment and silence the next. As long as fans understand why it is, I don't think it'd be too bitter a pill to swallow. Fans will just track down those scenes in bootlegs, anyhow. Just add a text disclaimer before the episode starts.
So what I'm trying to get at here, is if it's only the pilot that is largely effected, it'd still make a better package than some undesirable sets of other series that get released without their pilot altogether, even with segments in a muted or sound quality sacrificed state. I do not condone ever releasing it without the shows pilot, which is the only thing I got to see of the show since we didn't get it broadcast over here and I only managed to find it on VHS rental, but it could be worse.
I also think you should consider not replacing the music if it functions well enough without it. I got 21 Jump Street 1st season a while back and some of the music made me feel like throwing up! |
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| 9/29/2009 10:54 AM |
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zaxxar
 Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | Replica, do you live in the U.K.?
I ask you this, because in another thread, I mentioned that the pilot for "Werewolf" was released on VHS in the U.K. and only in the U.K.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Werewolf-John-York/dp/B001V2MB30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=video&qid=1253663016&sr=1-1 |
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| 9/29/2009 11:07 AM |
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Replica
 Member since: 9/29/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | Funny, I just saw it and considered responding to it. No, I live in Australia. |
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| 10/6/2009 8:05 AM |
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BeefyBoyGod
 Member since: 10/6/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | Wouldn't, say, a cover of "Silent Running" pasted over the original audio track seemingly drown out the original version, while still keeping the original dialogue in place? That would obviously be a lot cheaper than the original versions. This could be done for the other song that's causing the problem(I know the first has to be Silent Running, it's the most famous of the songs used). |
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| 10/6/2009 8:50 AM |
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zaxxar
 Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | I thought Brian already stated that Mike and the Mechanics was not one of the artists that wouldn't comply. |
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| 10/6/2009 9:39 AM |
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TV_Fan
 Member since: 7/5/2007 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | The problem, as Brian explained it, is that the dialogue and audio are on the same tracks. So if they were to use a cover of whoever the offending artists are, they would be in the same situation because they would have to drown out the music AND the dialogue. The only way around this is to re-record the dialogue which we already know is out of the question.
Please bring "Starman" the 1986-87 tv series to DVD.
Please bring Gimme A Break seasons 2 & beyond to DVD.
Please bring Silver Spoons seasons 2 & beyond to DVD. |
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| 10/7/2009 7:56 AM |
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BeefyBoyGod
 Member since: 10/6/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | Mike & The Mechanics - Silent Running (Pilot)
Timbuk 3 - The Future's So Bright (I Gotta Wear Shades) (Pilot)
Los Lobos - Will The Wolf Survive (Episode 8)
Merle Haggard - Think I'll Just Stay Here And Drink (Episode 12)
T. Graham Brown - I Tell It Like It Used To Be (Episode 13)
Randy Travis - The Storms Of Life (Episode 15)
Bob Segar - Against The Wind (Episode 20)
Merle Haggard - Misery And Gin (Episode 22)
Lynyrd Skynrd - What's Your Name (Episode 27)
Judging by that list, I have a good idea of the artists that are causing the problem. |
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| 10/18/2009 7:17 PM |
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justice
 Member since: 10/18/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | Why is re-recording the dialogue out of the question? Do these two spineles back stabbing music artists also own the script? |
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| 10/18/2009 7:44 PM |
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justice
 Member since: 10/18/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | I have the pilot episode on vhs and I can attest to the innocence of Mike and The Mechanics and Timbuk 3 because there is no-important-to-the-story dialogue going on during their songs. So that leaves Los Lobos, Merle Haggard (aint he dead?), T. Graham Brown (never heard of him), Bob Segar ( whose best song is Watch Her Strut), And Lynyrd Skynard (who has that Van Zandt guy whose brother formed the superior 38 Special). My 3 suspects are Los Lobos, T. Graham Brown, and Lynyrd Skynyrd. |
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| 10/20/2009 11:21 AM |
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zaxxar
 Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | Justice, how come the other suspects aren't Merle Haggard, Bob Seger, and Randy Travis?
Also, according to n8wing, he said that Chiller weren't allowed to air 4 episodes (Pilot, A world of Difference part 1 and 2, and The Unicron) T. Graham Brown's song was heard in "The Unicorn" (episode 13). As for why the pilot wasn't shown on Chiller, I'm guessing they were too cheap to pay for those two songs, not because the right-holders wouldn't let them have them.
Finally, Merle Haggard isn't dead. |
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| 10/20/2009 8:54 PM |
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zaxxar
 Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | Hey guys, check out this guy's channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/x900lbGorillax
He's got episodes of "Wereolf" including the pilot.
Also, download and save the series, in case Sony claims copyright infringement on it. |
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| 10/21/2009 12:21 AM |
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martymcintosh
 Member since: 9/21/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | Hi Replica. I would like to know when did all of this copy right issues begin when TV Series would come out for release on DVD or was it long before that? There is a great rock song that would fit the club scene in the Werewolf Pilot easy. That would be Dirty Laundry by Don Henley from the Eagles. What do you think? I am so mad that Werewolf could not be released. |
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| 10/21/2009 4:55 AM |
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zaxxar
 Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | For the last time, Mike & the Mechanics is not one of the suspects here. Can we please rule them out from now on. |
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| 10/21/2009 6:52 AM |
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BeefyBoyGod
 Member since: 10/6/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | I think he didn't suspect those artists, because dialogue doesn't go over where the others are used?
A World Of Difference Part 2 was aired on Chiller, oddly enough. It was closer to 7 episodes they didn't air. I have all the ones they aired.
Chiller even had clips from the Pilot in their ads for Werewolf, so they obviously had a copy of it.
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by zaxxar at 10/20/2009 11:21:52 AM
Justice, how come the other suspects aren't Merle Haggard, Bob Seger, and Randy Travis?
Also, according to n8wing, he said that Chiller weren't allowed to air 4 episodes (Pilot, A world of Difference part 1 and 2, and The Unicron) T. Graham Brown's song was heard in "The Unicorn" (episode 13). As for why the pilot wasn't shown on Chiller, I'm guessing they were too cheap to pay for those two songs, not because the right-holders wouldn't let them have them.
Finally, Merle Haggard isn't dead.
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| 10/21/2009 8:25 PM |
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justice
 Member since: 10/18/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | Merle Haggard, Bob Segar, and Randy Travis have had long illustrious careers. Los Lobos and T.Graham Brown are just flashes in the pan. And the Lynyrd Skynyrd of today is not classic line up of the past. When was the last time my suspects had a new hit song or a sell out tour? The real way to narrow down the suspects is to who ever has the series to watch the scenes of all six suspects and see if there actually is crucial dialogue going on during the songs. I reitterate: Mike And The Mechanics and Timbuk 3 are innocent. I cringe at the thought of Dirty Laundry replacing Silent Running. |
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| 10/21/2009 9:34 PM |
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julio
 Member since: 10/21/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | Do you even know what you are talking about justice los lobos are 3 time grammy award winners the fact that they are hispanic and you don't follow there muisc doesn't mean they are flashes in the pan. |
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| 10/22/2009 6:17 PM |
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justice
 Member since: 10/18/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | Yes I know what I'm talking about. I didn't question achievements. I asked when was the last time my suspects had a hit song or sell out tour? One of my all time favorite bands is KISS and they aint put out squat in 12 years. Repackagings don't count. I meant in no way to insult the fans of these artists, but just suppose Los Lobos was one of the artists that caused the DVD to be cancelled, how would you feel about them? This forum is not to defend anyone's music preference. This forum is to smoke out the guilty parties for ruining the release of Werewolf. In conclusion, the Grammies are as credible as junk mail that says YOU JUST WON 10 MILLION DOLLARS. Jethro Tull over Metallica for best Metal Album or artist or what ever it was? Just remember, the Grammy is a small panel of judges that tell the rest of America what's good for them. |
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| 10/27/2009 8:23 PM |
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kiss1fan
 Member since: 4/21/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | Great point justice. |
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| 10/27/2009 9:33 PM |
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zaxxar
 Member since: 12/9/2008 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | I finally watched bits and pieces of "Werewolf" episodes, but I have to say that I kinda disagree with Justice. The scene featuring "I Tell it Like it Used to Be" didn't go on for several minutes. But the scene featuring "The Storms of Life" did. So in my opinion, the three suspects are Los Lobos, Randy Travis, and Lynyrd Skynrd. |
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| 11/10/2009 9:56 AM |
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dumdum25
 Member since: 11/10/2009 | | RE: Werewolf: Cancled | | I spent $60 on some crappy boothleg years ago. Why don't we list every song in the series and petition the groups?...Myspace, Facebook...whatever? |
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Then they can marry the newly recorded audio with some replacement music in those two scenes. From what I understand, they already have actor participation in the special features, so this should be a no-brainer. I'm sure the actors involved would rather do this bit of work than not have the set come out at all. And if the actors aren't interested or available, then use a sound-alike voice actor (there are plenty out there that are really really good at what they do) for those particular scenes.
With a bit of creativity, this could still happen, folks.