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xxanimetoonsxx
Member since: 8/23/2009 | | Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? |
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| 8/23/2009 4:22 PM |
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Omega Supreme
Member since: 3/6/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | I doubt we are getting this. I feel your frustrations too. I can only hope that Brian is hard at work on it now. This is one set that needs to come to fruition. We have all been stalking Brian about this set but I believe the first volume didn't sell enough to warrant volume 2. I hope I am wrong. |
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| 8/24/2009 4:30 AM |
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xxanimetoonsxx
Member since: 8/23/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | why buy the rights for the show and then only release one half , why wait a year to see if one volume sells enough to warrant volume two , why not just release them side by side within a few months of each other and that way you'll make more money as for every first volume you sell you will 99/100 sell volume two as well
the way this company seem to do buisness to me is not right , seriously i dont see how waiting a year for a product to sell enough copies to sell season 2 is right , because maybe people are put off by the idea that if they buy volume 1 they may never see volume two , now if they had just announced hey volume one is out in march and volume two is out june , every person who bought volume 1 would buy volume two , doubling your sales and profits ...
its simple buisness knowledge SURELY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its how its done in the UK all the frickin time , come on shout factory get your frickin act together and follow through on your dvd sets |
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| 8/24/2009 10:51 AM |
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mike962
Member since: 6/20/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Or why no release all in a single Box and be done with it
I doubt the fans would be put off by the higher price when they can get all in one
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by xxanimetoonsxx at 8/24/2009 4:30:03 AM
why buy the rights for the show and then only release one half , why wait a year to see if one volume sells enough to warrant volume two , why not just release them side by side within a few months of each other and that way you'll make more money as for every first volume you sell you will 99/100 sell volume two as well
the way this company seem to do buisness to me is not right , seriously i dont see how waiting a year for a product to sell enough copies to sell season 2 is right , because maybe people are put off by the idea that if they buy volume 1 they may never see volume two , now if they had just announced hey volume one is out in march and volume two is out june , every person who bought volume 1 would buy volume two , doubling your sales and profits ...
its simple buisness knowledge SURELY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its how its done in the UK all the frickin time , come on shout factory get your frickin act together and follow through on your dvd sets |
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| 8/24/2009 12:16 PM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Assertions like this are what get smaller companies into trouble.
Very few people are willing to buy high-priced items (especially right now), particularly when they're purchasing a show they only remember as being good without having seen it in some time. Often, someone will purchase a series' first volume at a reasonable price and make one of a few conclusions: 1.) They love the show and will continue to buy immediately 2.) They like the show and will continue to want the series, but not really rush out to get it or 3.) They realize the show doesn't hold up and don't continue to buy.
Statistically, very few subsequent volumes sell the same as the one before. This applies to mega hit shows, as well. So, with that knowledge factored into your equation, please explain how it would make sense to spend the same amount of money on producing a second volume of a series that sold considerably fewer than expected when we know it will sell even fewer than the one before. Even with an announcement to "expect it next month" inside the packaging, we wouldn't be guaranteed to make enough sales. Oban Star-Racers was released in two 2-disc special editions, one month after the other, and still sold too few copies. And that show, both in story and animation, blew Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors out of the water! Oh... And Oban is proof that your statement about people who picked up the first will go out and pick up the second is inaccurate.
Few people rush out to buy anything. Most put things on a list and prioritize. If they wait too long, the titles go out of print and they miss out, because they figured it'd always be there. But typically, for companies like ours, the license is only held for a handful of years. Which is why I've stressed to folks not to wait. Too few have listened.
Brian
"Know Thyself"
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| 8/24/2009 2:16 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I like the idea of releasing a complete series set from the start which is what is being done for Shout recently with the Garry Shandling Show and with Transformers and G.I. Joe. We also saw this recently with Time-Life's Real Ghostbusters and several other sets. It seems to be a trend recently(Ally McBeal, etc.). With the higher price of a complete set, you may lose a few customers, but at the same time you won't see the drop in sales that happen between each subsequent release. If a fan knows far enough in advance, they can save the money for the set.
For example, if I were releasing M.A.S.K., I'd release it all in a complete series set first (whether it had extra features or not). This is how I'd like to see future Shout! cartoon sets released. |
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| 8/24/2009 2:19 PM |
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xxanimetoonsxx
Member since: 8/23/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | then why not just group them all together and sale it for a slightly higher price and not feel abliged to make a alobrate case as its the episodes that matter ,
i just dont see why waiting a year is buisness sense ... and why release in volumes if you suspect that you wont sell enough copies of the first volume , that way you are just annoying those who buy your sets who will eventually just say stuff it , why shud i buy volume one when volume two will never come out . That is a buisness plan which is evil and not customer friendly .. "hey lets release voulme 1 and not two so we can sucker people in again and again ... in the uk they released every episode of the adventures of sonic and hedgehog in one go satisfying the customers and all in all selling more as it is more enticing to the customer ...
releasing volumes just isnt worth it , release the full season and make a few extra sales on it than you would if you released in volumes, as a full set is far more appelaing , has it ever occured to you that people just wait until every volume is out , you cant deny that people do that , ive done it everyone has done that
i know wou come off sincere in your reply and its nice to get a reply and i appriciate it , but when you only rlease one volume that is a F U to the customer , adn i for one am getting fed up with it ....
F VOLUMES AND JUST RELEASE THE FULL SERIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 8/24/2009 4:08 PM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | We generally don't wait a year. You're misunderstanding. We have yearly projections, meaning a title needs to sell a certain number in its first year to be profitable. After the first month or so of its release, we know whether or not a title will make those projections. Like the box office of a movie, sales decline every week. If those first two weeks aren't really strong, we've produced a flop and it's nearly impossible to recover, although sales may spike a little toward the holiday season.
And no, it's not an "FU" to the customer. We didn't spend all that money just to laugh maniacally while wringing our beady hands as the fans waited for a second volume. If we're going to be that dramatic, one could also argue we were "FU"ed, because we were promised from tons of petitions and emails and letters, etc. that people would buy these sets. And then they didn't. Had we known we'd sell as few of some of these sets as we did, we wouldn't have invested in them in the first place. On top of the advance for licensing the titles, we paid a lot to produce the sets. That wasn't recouped. We literally LOST money on those releases. And we'd lose even more to complete the series since sales wouldn't magically start happening just because all the volumes were out there. Let's say we sold only 1/4 of the Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors (priced at $34.99) needed to make money in the first year. Now, let's say we decided, instead, to release a complete series box (priced around $80-$90). Imagine how many fewer we would've sold.
Titles like Transformers, G.I. Joe, It's Garry Shandling's Show, and The Real Ghostbusters are not only extremely popular shows, they're not now obscure and, therefore, worth the risk of producing single $140+ complete series sets. Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors is no Transformers. C.O.P.S. is no G.I. Joe. And M.A.S.K. isn't even a sure thing, if we were ever to acquire that. There are risks and then there's foolishness. And we would be foolish to spend upwards of $60,000+ (just in production costs, not including the money to acquire the title and clear any additional music, etc.) to create a complete series box set that would sell fewer than 10,000 copies. The math doesn't add up, guys.
Your passion is understood. Believe me. I'm still looking for ways to finish up C.O.P.S., Jayce and Swamp Thing. But passion is precisely what puts small companies out of business, when it pushes the simple rule of supply and demand out of the equation.
Brian
"Know Thyself"
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| 8/24/2009 4:19 PM |
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jmodlin210
Member since: 6/2/2008 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Brian,
Is Transformers and G.I. Joe very popular? You need to produce Adventures of Sonic The Hedgehog Volume 3 on DVD. Were sales strong for Adventures of Sonic The Hedgehog Volumes 1 and 2? Thank you.
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| 8/24/2009 4:47 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | I wouldn't view the Garry Shandling Show as a popular show. There is some risk involved with that release. It was on a pay cable channel in the 80s back when cable wasn't big and also aired some on Fox back when it was the red headed stepchild network. Granted it may be a more popular show than Jayce, but I don't think Garry would see a complete release if released as volume sets staggered out. |
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| 8/24/2009 6:06 PM |
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Yummyfishman
Member since: 8/24/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I've been following this topic for quite some time now, and it seems that particularly the potential consumers don't realize just how bad a situation the prospect of releasing a Volume 2 of Jayce & TWW is in, which is unfortunate. To explain : I'll tell a small story.
A few months ago, I didn't even know what Jayce & The Wheeled Warriors was. I saw a clip on youtube of 80's cartoon intro themes and was awestruck, so I watched a nice amount on youtube until for some reason (copyright of course) the videos were taken off. It didn't matter, youtube didn't even have a complete set, so I did a little bit of research. As you could guess, I also didn't know what Shout! Factory was at the time either.
At first I was psyched to buy the whole series, but then started reading up on the problems with sales and the possibility of a vol.2 not even being released, and this is where the big problem starts. At this point in volume 2's stay in purgatory, it becomes a double-risk, both for producer and consumer. Things look so bleak, that the chances of Vol. 1 sales between myself and likely a whole bunch of potential buyers plummetted from unlikely to highly unlikely, after all, why should I buy a set that at this point looks like it might not even be completed? Now I'm no economist, but if other consumers follow that logic, which they most likely do, sales of Jayce Vol.1 sets are not only less than they could potentially be, but they're probably going to spiral down even moreso with the lack of continuation.
This puts the producers in a tight spot : either risk losing even more money by finishing the series, or letting sales die down to nothing now and not risk possible future financial harm. In other words, it's going to be hard to convince either the consumers that there's enough of a chance of Vol.2 coming out to invest in the first set, or the producers that enough people love the series to make the proper investment
The only possible solution I can imagine is a smaller batch sold to conosseurs at a slightly higher cost. That way, if the demand suddenly skyrockets, there's always room to make reprints and if not, the money lost would be more neglegible. |
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| 8/24/2009 7:48 PM |
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Omega Supreme
Member since: 3/6/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | Maybe DVD on Demand is the way to go for these less popular (sales market) titles. Even then, with the amount it would cost to obtain the rights could be greater than what the profits would be. I purchased Jayce for the simple fact I enjoyed watching it. I am also greatful to have something rather than nothing. |
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| 8/24/2009 8:35 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I think DVD on Demands would work for the less popular titles like C.O.P.S. and Jayce:
http://www.shoutfactory.com/community/1499/thread.aspx
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| 8/25/2009 1:04 AM |
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mike962
Member since: 6/20/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | 2 questions Brian
- Wouldn't it be possible make the DVDs REGION FREE , maybe then you get buyers from Europe and Australia for the more obscure shows etc ?
- If you aquire 13 episodes shows like Starcom, Bucky O'hare, Turbo Teen etc could they be released in a single pack
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by B Ward at 8/24/2009 4:08:15 PM
We generally don't wait a year. You're misunderstanding. We have yearly projections, meaning a title needs to sell a certain number in its first year to be profitable. After the first month or so of its release, we know whether or not a title will make those projections. Like the box office of a movie, sales decline every week. If those first two weeks aren't really strong, we've produced a flop and it's nearly impossible to recover, although sales may spike a little toward the holiday season.
And no, it's not an "FU" to the customer. We didn't spend all that money just to laugh maniacally while wringing our beady hands as the fans waited for a second volume. If we're going to be that dramatic, one could also argue we were "FU"ed, because we were promised from tons of petitions and emails and letters, etc. that people would buy these sets. And then they didn't. Had we known we'd sell as few of some of these sets as we did, we wouldn't have invested in them in the first place. On top of the advance for licensing the titles, we paid a lot to produce the sets. That wasn't recouped. We literally LOST money on those releases. And we'd lose even more to complete the series since sales wouldn't magically start happening just because all the volumes were out there. Let's say we sold only 1/4 of the Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors (priced at $34.99) needed to make money in the first year. Now, let's say we decided, instead, to release a complete series box (priced around $80-$90). Imagine how many fewer we would've sold.
Titles like Transformers, G.I. Joe, It's Garry Shandling's Show, and The Real Ghostbusters are not only extremely popular shows, they're not now obscure and, therefore, worth the risk of producing single $140+ complete series sets. Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors is no Transformers. C.O.P.S. is no G.I. Joe. And M.A.S.K. isn't even a sure thing, if we were ever to acquire that. There are risks and then there's foolishness. And we would be foolish to spend upwards of $60,000+ (just in production costs, not including the money to acquire the title and clear any additional music, etc.) to create a complete series box set that would sell fewer than 10,000 copies. The math doesn't add up, guys.
Your passion is understood. Believe me. I'm still looking for ways to finish up C.O.P.S., Jayce and Swamp Thing. But passion is precisely what puts small companies out of business, when it pushes the simple rule of supply and demand out of the equation.
Brian
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| 8/25/2009 9:57 AM |
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xxanimetoonsxx
Member since: 8/23/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | To Brian ...
I thank you for your replies very appreciated , i certainly understand alot more on these subjects than before :P ... i do get a little passionate but i try to not over step the line , i was pretty close to it i must say so myself so sorry for that .
i still think that the future for shows like jayce and cops and mask is to release them as a full set , if you sell them at a slightly higher price than volume one , i really do think you would sell enough to make a profit and keep customers happy , then again i have no clue on dvd production adn publishing (as much as i think i do lol) .
i really hope you guys can perhaps release full seasons when you belive that a volumed set isnt profit worthy ... build a brand amongst the niuche market for selling full sets in one go and you might just build a market of customers buying every set you produce on these Niche cartoons and tv series |
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| 8/25/2009 10:07 AM |
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xxanimetoonsxx
Member since: 8/23/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | @mike962 - Bucky O'Hare got a full release in the uk - check out Ebay UK and you'll find it there , its a rare deleted title tho' so its a tad expensive |
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| 9/2/2009 8:21 PM |
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Buster D
Member since: 5/26/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Maybe if Shout Factory was actually known for finshing series it started, more people would be willing to buy the first half of a series. I certainly would have bought the first Wheeled Warriors set if I had known for sure that I would be able to buy the second half someday. But I knew that they never finished COPS, so I didn't buy it.
You hardly ever see unfinished anime DVD series in the US, and a lot of those are even more niche and have the additional expense of making translations and English dubs (unless they're subtitled only), etc.
While losing money is certainly a major concern, isn't building customer trust one as well?
Just a thought. |
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| 9/3/2009 12:44 AM |
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mike962
Member since: 6/20/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Well there is such an example. In Germany there is a company called KSM GmbH , they released old cartoons and are doing it the other way.
They release a volume every month, so recently they released a 65 Episode cartoon (called Hallo Kurt) in 3 volumes
First volume in August, Second vol in Spetember , 3rd volume next month http://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_ss?__mk_de_DE=%C5M%C5Z%D5%D1&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=hallo+kurt
They have done the same with basiclly every cartoon they released , so if they release something you know for sure that it will be all in a shor period of time
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by Buster D at 9/2/2009 8:21:43 PM
Maybe if Shout Factory was actually known for finshing series it started, more people would be willing to buy the first half of a series. I certainly would have bought the first Wheeled Warriors set if I had known for sure that I would be able to buy the second half someday. But I knew that they never finished COPS, so I didn't buy it.
You hardly ever see unfinished anime DVD series in the US, and a lot of those are even more niche and have the additional expense of making translations and English dubs (unless they're subtitled only), etc.
While losing money is certainly a major concern, isn't building customer trust one as well?
Just a thought. |
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| 9/3/2009 12:35 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I still say that if a full, proper release of Volume 2 isn't a possibility, then some kind of DVD on Demand service like Createspace would be a good way to go. Low overhead for Shout Factory (the show's already licensed, so no additional expenses there), and everyone can complete their sets. Nickelodeon has been doing that with a lot of their shows recently, and it seems to be doing quite well for them. So why not Shout?
You could even involve the fans in some way to do the artwork for the set, or maybe even have some of the more tech-savvy fans help with the actual assembly of the discs, thus reducing Shout's expenses and time involvement even more. An effort by fans, for fans, with Shout overseeing the whole thing. As a fan myself, I would happily help out as a volunteer just to see the collection done. If it goes well, maybe something similar could be done for the other incomplete sets out there (C.O.P.S., Sonic, etc.) and maybe we could even get to see some of the more short-lived DiC shows (Starcom and Pole Position, for example) this way.
Instead of bashing Shout for not finishing the set (hey, finished or not, they've STILL given us MORE on DVD than has ever been available in Region 1 previously), let's help find a solution that might actually make the release of the rest of it a viable possibility.
Any thoughts
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| 9/3/2009 3:14 PM |
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Tummybot5000
Member since: 6/5/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I think i can shed some light on all this. Let me reponde to Brain Ward directly:
And no, it's not an "FU" to the customer. Certainly not! Although it could be a Fu, a type of ancient Chinese vessel.
We didn't spend all that money just to laugh maniacally while wringing our beady hands as the fans waited for a second volume. Your hands are beady? So exciting? I always imagined them large, like hagrid the elf in harry potter
Let's say we sold only 1/4 of the Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors (priced at $34.99) needed to make money in the first year. What the hell is Jayce and the wheeled warriors?!?!? This cannot be real! i think this whole thread is a mass dilussion.
Titles like Transformers, G.I. Joe, It's Garry Shandling's Show, and The Real Ghostbusters are not only extremely popular shows, they're not now obscure and, therefore, worth the risk of producing single $140+ complete series sets. Can you produce a complete series of the CBS evening news from inception? Make it so #1
There are risks and then there's foolishness. I like foolishness. Me and the Brain-babies were just talking about how foolish we could be during a particularlly intense cradling session.
Your passion is understood. And YOUR passion is understood. The passion of the ward, vrooom vrooom!
Believe me. I DO. ABOUT EVERYTHING!
I'm still looking for ways to finish up C.O.P.S., Jayce and Swamp Thing. nOBODY wants to see these series completed. Please stop. Unless you combined them into Jayce and the Swamp Thing Cops. THAT i would watch. |
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| 9/15/2009 1:49 PM |
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Omega Supreme
Member since: 3/6/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | Brian is it possible just to release the episodes on DVD without any kind of extras at all on them? Wouldn't that save quite a bit on production costs? I just got Dungeons and Dragons from Mill Creek Entertainment and all that is on the set is episodes. It was priced at 14.99. |
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| 9/17/2009 12:12 AM |
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neostar
Member since: 1/3/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | We need vol.2 NOW. Its not fair to do like this, relese complete set insted if you dont know if it gonna sell and make it limited ins´nsteed.
Make it happend now brian, relese Jayce and the wheeled warriors vol.2 |
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| 1/8/2010 9:12 AM |
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neostar
Member since: 1/3/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Now i hopes you make vol 2 of Jayce too, when you are making c.o.p.s vol 2.
WE WANT JAYCE AND THE WHEELED WARRIORS!!!
John Doe Complete set Please! |
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| 2/8/2010 11:11 AM |
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hardnine
Member since: 2/8/2010 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | same here we need jayce set 2. |
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| 2/8/2010 11:18 AM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I would love to have the adventures of Jayce completed. But we have to wait and see how our other Direct-to-Consumer titles do. If it's not worth the cost of producing even a limited run, we'll sadly, have to let it go. So hopefully, our DTC initiative, particularly on our first set of animated titles, will yield positive results.
Brian
"Know Thyself"
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| 2/9/2010 8:53 AM |
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krazyclown
Member since: 5/13/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | Plan on ordering C.O.P.S Vol 2 as soon as i can order and will buy jayce vol 2 day one if it gets released |
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| 2/12/2010 10:49 AM |
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GooeySlob
Member since: 12/27/2008 | | DTC | Hey
Not logged in ages came back to see if there was any progress.
Still looking forward to Volume 2, bought 3 copies of Vol.1 so far! I guess I'll keep on buying and stacking them up. Not very environmentally friendly but if it's what it takes!
DTC sounds like a great idea but I'm in the UK so not sure if it would be available to me? 
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| 2/12/2010 4:24 PM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: DTC | The DTC titles may eventually go to a vendor with online stores at both Amazon and eBay. Keep checking there, after they're released.
Brian
"Know Thyself"
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| 2/20/2010 3:11 PM |
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coughler
Member since: 12/10/2009 | | RE: DTC | Brian. Would it be wise to lower the cost of the first volume 1? Perhaps that would boost sales? ALOT of people are bitching about Disneys Gargyoles not being released in its entirety as well. (myself included) BUT this issue is that the titles are CRAZY exspensive. Im not going to pay $45.00 for season 1 and $53.00 for season 2 volume 1? For the longest time the two gargoyles titles were that much money in many of the stores i regularly visit. But recently i have seen the price in these 2 gargoyles titles decrease. Season 1 is now 29.99 and season 2 volume one is 30-40. Funny part is i have seen these titles not as offten on store shelves in the last couple months. Perhaps more people are buying them?
Another thing that would be cool is if shout would flood their releases with trailers. Not sure how exspensive that is. I couldnt tell u how many anime sets or movies or i have bought from seeing some bad ass trailer. same with disney. |
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| 2/20/2010 6:08 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: DTC | Shoutfactory's store has Volume 1 listed at $29.98.
http://www.shoutfactorystore.com/prod.aspx?pfid=3944109
I think that is a decent price. You can also find it for cheaper on e-bay. All of the 3 to 4 disc exclusives are running between $29.99-$39.98 on Shout's site. I wouldn't expect a Volume 2 release of Jayce to be any less than that. Those are fair prices for an exclusive.
I do hope that some day Jayce sees a complete release.
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| 2/24/2010 7:41 AM |
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910dohead
Member since: 7/6/2009 | | RE: DTC | I just noticed that C.O.P.S. is getting an exclusive online release, which I will be purchasing. I really do hope that it does fairly well in order to get a nudge towards a Jayce Vol. 2 release. I think at this point its the only way I will have a vol. 2 in my collection. However, I don't see Shout doing any advertising for exclusive releases besides the e-mail newsletter. That's how I found out about the C.O.P.S. set.
I feel a lot of people will miss out on it and find out too late only because they never knew it existed. Maybe producing a DVD advert trailer would let consumers know that Shout Factory is making online only exclusives? I never would have found out if I never read the newsletter. I have more than 10 Shout Factory releases and two of them are the Transformers/GI Joe complete sets. So, money is not an issue when it comes to the stuff I want. I want Jayce Vol. 2.
Brian, I thank you and your staff for deciding to come up with the idea to release titles as Direct-To-Consumer. It's not only smart, but it maximizes profit and, most importantly, gives the consumer what they want. Kudos! |
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| 2/24/2010 12:31 PM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: DTC | Thanks for the support, 910dohead!
We're trying to figure out the best way to advertise, but we definitely need folks that visit other forums to spread the word!
Brian
"Know Thyself"
--Thales |
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| 2/24/2010 2:38 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: DTC | | I've plugged the C.O.P.S. release on about a dozen forums. |
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| 2/24/2010 3:26 PM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: DTC | You're the best!
Brian
"Know Thyself"
--Thales |
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| 2/24/2010 3:37 PM |
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DavidLambert
Member since: 3/21/2009 | | RE: DTC | | I plugged the DTC program twice today. But only at one website...the usual one. :) |
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| 3/30/2010 5:57 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: DTC | | I finally got around to buying Jayce Volume 1. It would be cool to see a Volume 2 with the remaining episodes released at the same time of a C.O.P.S. Volume 3 set, since they are both 80s toons and have some overlap in fans (plus it would save a person some on shipping I'd assume). |
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| 4/7/2010 5:45 PM |
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eltroncod
Member since: 11/4/2007 | | RE: DTC | Amazon has c.o.p.s 2 if anybody wants to buy from them, is the same price as shout! |
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| 4/8/2010 3:37 PM |
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coughler
Member since: 12/10/2009 | | RE: DTC | | I bought cops V2 and sonic v3 the other. And i will buy bump in the night too. Do jayce shout pleeeeeeeeeeeeease! i have volume 1 |
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| 4/12/2010 5:27 AM |
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Classic Toon Fan
Member since: 2/2/2010 | | RE: DTC | | Yeah here is hoping for a vol. 2 set of Jayce soon as this show needs to be saved from the incomplete world of tv shows on dvd. |
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| 4/13/2010 6:27 PM |
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eltroncod
Member since: 11/4/2007 | | RE: DTC | | I sure hope c.o.p.s vol 2 does well! That's our only hope for us jayce fans!! |
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| 4/17/2010 1:48 AM |
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neostar
Member since: 1/3/2009 | | RE: DTC | Please Brian, relese Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors vol.2
Best cartoon ever =)
John Doe Complete set Please! |
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| 5/4/2010 7:23 AM |
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thedude7
Member since: 4/27/2009 | | RE: DTC | Perhaps Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors Vol. 2 will be release as a Direct-to-Consumer, when they are ready to make plans!
thedudey7 |
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| 5/22/2010 12:21 PM |
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Darkaxx
Member since: 6/12/2007 | | RE: DTC Jayce | Greetings Brian Hope to see the Jayce vol 2 as the Cops was released this is out last chance
please put it pout as Shout Exclusive ?
Hope this is possible...
I had ***** transformers but have bought Shouts Boxset , as to give my support and Joy :>
Support shouts much more now
you doing is custumers so proud to be :)
have a great summer and vacation Brian
Alexander here in Norway.. |
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| 6/17/2010 5:38 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: DTC Jayce | I noticed that www.jaroo.com which shows some of the old DiC shows including Jayce jumps from episode 33 to episode 1 next week. I found that odd. Does this have to do with Shout!'s DVD rights or something else? I was kind of hoping to catch a few of the back 32 episodes on there particularly if Shout! isn't going to release it on DVD anytime soon.
http://www.jaroo.com/shows/schedule.php |
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| 6/23/2010 2:43 PM |
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dragin
Member since: 4/23/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | Letting everyone know that Itunes now has Vol 2 up for sale. the price is 19.99 |
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| 6/23/2010 5:38 PM |
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Omega Supreme
Member since: 3/6/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Can you post the link please. I can only find Part 1. Another question, when you buy video like that from iTunes what resolution are the video files in? I am ready to purchase now if in fact V2 is up.
EDIT 1: I found it. I had to install iTunes. Thanks a bazillion for the info. I am in the process of buying it now.
EDIT 2: For those wondering the files are roughly 260MB. I am guessing they were encoded using h.264 so they should look very nice. I will get you resolution specs when I can. I am guessing that will happen in about 17 hours from now.
I am super stoked for this. |
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| 6/24/2010 3:27 AM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Eh, I don't have itunes and I like DVDs, so this does me no good. This will make a few people happy, though. |
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| 6/24/2010 10:07 AM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Huh. This is news to me. Interesting.
Brian
Follow me on Twitter! (@BWard028) |
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| 6/24/2010 11:52 AM |
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Omega Supreme
Member since: 3/6/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | Shocking, I try to play them and all I get is a grey screen. I am a bit frustrated because I thought Mac stuff was so easy a caveman can do it. I will respond as soon as I can solve this issue. |
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| 6/24/2010 5:05 PM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Ah, I've been informed that--since we don't have digital rights to the DiC/Cookie Jar material--this isn't due to us. iTunes making it available is Cookie Jar's doing. So, at least it's online for folks.
Brian
Follow me on Twitter! (@BWard028) |
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| 6/28/2010 3:16 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | What is the status of Jayce as far as being a Shout! Select title is concerned? If it isn't being seriously considered, what are the chances of Shout! sublicensing the series to a company like Mill Creek to finish releasing it and/or putting out a complete series set? I know Navarre bought the DVD rights from Hearst for Defenders of the Earth, Prince Valiant, and Flash Gordon. Navarre later sublicensed out to Mill Creek and Mill Creek released sets of them recently. Navarre also did this with Mattel's MYP He-Man & the Masters of the Universe as well. Could Shout! work a similar deal with a company like Mill Creek? |
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| 6/28/2010 5:52 PM |
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Omega Supreme
Member since: 3/6/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | I still have not been able to view the episodes i bought from iTunes. I even went as far as formatting my PC and iTunes was the the only program I installed. I still have the exact same issue. It has to be an issue with Apple. FWIW I will still buy a DVD version of S2 because I don't like the fact of buying something and having someone tell me how and where I can use it. |
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| 7/6/2010 6:44 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Bummer about those iTunes episodes. Yet another argument in favor of physical media vs downloads. No mucking about with codecs and DRM to get the bloody things to play, just stick the disc in and enjoy! Not to mention a shiny new Shout Factory set of something with their trademark pretty packaging will always look better on your shelf than a USB Flash Drive full of files.
The Multimedia Chronicles and more:
http://www.zaranyzerak.com |
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| 7/7/2010 8:10 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Yes, I'll take DVDs over that stuff any day. |
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| 7/18/2010 9:45 PM |
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Kevin_Keene
Member since: 1/13/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I am pretty sure Brian is waiting to see how the rest of their online sales go before finishing Jayce, much like COPS Volume 2. I am going to have to disagree with you on letting Mill Creek any where near Jayce or any other property Shout! has N8. While Shout! truly cares about classic shows Mill Creek does not seem like a company that really cares. They are more of a public domain type company. I mean look at it this way, we had to wait a while for COPS Volume 2 but was the wait worth it? I think we all know that answer to that question. Just give Brian some time, he well knows we all want to finish our Jayce collection and I am sure it is fore most on his mind. I was really hoping that Shout! could get the rights to the rest of the titles that Mill Creek had so they could be treated the way that BCI treated the releases when they first came out. However I am not sure if Shout! is interested in getting those series. I would love to see He-Man 2002 get released on Blu-ray. Thank God I have all my old BCI releases.
"What can I say I'm hooked" |
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| 7/19/2010 3:19 AM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | Obviously, I'd prefer Shout! to finish Jayce. I'm not a big fan of Mill Creek (they usually cram too many episodes per disc), but if I had a choice between Mill Creek or nothing at all, I'd choose Mill Creek. |
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| 7/24/2010 7:37 AM |
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trust the fungus
Member since: 9/12/2008 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I bought the ncircle DVD at big lots yesterday for only $2. It's a really neat show I actually kinda like it better than transformers or voltron. I'll be getting the boxset next time I get some spare cash.
You Don't give me enough credit jullian!
-snivley, the doomsday project |
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| 7/25/2010 3:25 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | That was how I basically got into Jayce. I enjoyed it enough that I bought the Volume 1 set later. Jayce did not air in my town growing up. I'd also take a DVD on Demand release of the final set, like Amazon has for Charles in Charge and Nick cartoons, if that was the only way to get it. I bought both Charles in Charge Seasons 4 and 5 on DVD that way. My preferred choices in order 1)Shout! Select 2)Sublicensing to another company like Milcreek 3)DVD on Demand.
trust the fungus wrote the following post at 7/24/2010 7:37:10 AM
I bought the ncircle DVD at big lots yesterday for only $2. It's a really neat show I actually kinda like it better than transformers or voltron. I'll be getting the boxset next time I get some spare cash.
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| 7/29/2010 2:40 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Looks like Milcreek and Shout! are working together...
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Site-News-2010-Impulse-DVD-Roundup/14170 |
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| 7/29/2010 9:06 PM |
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trust the fungus
Member since: 9/12/2008 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | That's awesome! Maybe we could get some more DIC stuff outta this deal. Like pole position perhaps? I've always wanted to see that show.
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by N8 Storm at 7/29/2010 2:40:19 PM
Looks like Milcreek and Shout! are working together...
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Site-News-2010-Impulse-DVD-Roundup/14170
You Don't give me enough credit jullian!
-snivley, the doomsday project |
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| 11/21/2010 7:19 PM |
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Greenspan
Member since: 1/7/2010 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | Any news on Jayce Vol. 2 ? |
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| 11/25/2010 5:03 AM |
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siccoyote
Member since: 12/7/2008 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I do question the costs (and have done in the past with the BBC's doctor who releases where they said it costs thousands to make audio commentaries because they have to book time in recording studio, mastering etc etc, when really you'd get a a similar result plonking the actor/director down in front of a tv with a microphone headset, but I digress) that are quoted for these things just for a basic set
$60,000 to take 9 hours of broadcast tapes & transfer to Mpeg2?
That is not counting advertising or extras (which usually only appear on Vol 1 with good reason as that is the volume more people will buy, the rest of the volumes just to fill out the episode run) but I can't see where the money goes.
Even if you also knocked together a still menu and chapters, with a Home PC and the broadcast tapes I could transfer and knock that up in about 2-3 days by myself. Unless you want 5.1 mixing done but then no-one likes that anyway.
Plus the poor sales of the first set should be a point to argue for paying less for the rights to the second half of the series |
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| 11/25/2010 8:44 AM |
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Greenspan
Member since: 1/7/2010 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | As I have said before I think a majority of fans do not really care about extras as long as the transfers are properly done.
All we need is a nice box art, a simple but cool menu and that is it. Heck if the VHS would still be available I would do the transfer myself for my own personal collection.
Cheers
Greenspan |
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| 2/18/2011 2:30 PM |
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Darkaxx
Member since: 6/12/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Agree on that. When we first Discovered these in out Childhood there wan no Bonus at all.
Greeenspan and other Make a Try outs to Advertise on Facebook and twitter get many more to buy uit then mayby should could nmake out the Second
many mans haven't done their work to support the shout on the release on the First season ... |
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| 7/21/2011 3:42 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Mill Creek will be releasing Jayce in 2012 in a similar fashion to C.O.P.S.. Volume 1 will come out early next year. |
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| 7/21/2011 5:36 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | You're the second person I've heard that from in the past 24 hours. I've seen no official news about this anywhere. Source? Link?
The Multimedia Chronicles and more:
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| 7/21/2011 5:46 PM |
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janhall47
Member since: 4/27/2011 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | Mill Creek is putting out Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors on dvd in the end of 2011. |
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| 7/21/2011 6:14 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | A Mill Creek employee told me via e-mail today...
"We will be releasing the first volume of Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors early next year, with a second volume releasing sometime after that." |
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| 7/22/2011 1:55 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Aaaaand....CONFIRMED!
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Jayce-Wheeled-Warriors-Volume-1/15701
This is a glorious day for Jayce fans. Thanks to Mill Creek for making this possible, and special thanks to Shout Factory as well (because you just KNOW they had a hand in making this happen!) LIGHTNING STRIKES!
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| 7/22/2011 2:14 PM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | | Toldja. Considering Shout! Factory's license for the DiC shows expire at the end of the year, they might not have necessarily had anything to do with the release of this one. |
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| 1/6/2012 1:13 PM |
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o.supreme
Member since: 4/20/2011 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Yesterday TVshowsondvd.com updated the MC date for their release of volume 1 (the first 32 episodes) will be 2/21/12. Since I already have the Shout! Release one, i wont be picking this up (besides Shout! release is probably better quality, and I know the packaging is better). But I will get volume 2 if/when it is ever released to complete the colleciton. |
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| 1/6/2012 3:27 PM |
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Omega Supreme
Member since: 3/6/2009 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I bought V2 off of iTunes.
Nice name btw. |
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| 1/7/2012 6:04 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | I plan to buy Volume 1 regardless to support the release and help make sure Volume 2 gets released. I'm pretty sure I can spare the 7 dollars.
The Multimedia Chronicles and more:
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| 1/8/2012 11:09 AM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Wheres the second volume of Jayce and the wheeled warriors? | Amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/Jayce-Wheeled-Warriors-Artist-Provided/dp/B006TSI63A/ref=sr_1_5?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1326049697&sr=1-5 |
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