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6/22/2009 12:32 PM
zaxxar
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Werewolf

It was supposed to be released during the first week of September. Why does it all of a sudden now have a release date of October 6, 2009?

6/22/2009 4:25 PM
zaxxar
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RE: What happened to Werewolf's release date?
Sorry for the double post, but here's proof:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/releases/Werewolf-Complete-Series/9013 (release date says 9/1/09)

http://www.shoutfactorystore.com/prod.aspx?pfid=5257038&sid=4505A9D6ED544E2C95A5F1EFA826E647 (release date says 10/6/09)

Why the sudden change in release date?
6/22/2009 4:50 PM
B Ward
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RE: What happened to Werewolf's release date?
Yeah, there's been a hang-up or two that simply pushed the date to a more reasonable time frame.  Just gives us a chance to make sure all of our ducks are in order, all of our music is cleared and all of our bonus materials are complete.  The ducks are the most important, though. 

We'll keep you informed.

Brian

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6/23/2009 12:13 AM
mark williamson
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all 29 episodes
just wondering , are we going to get all 29 episodes ?
6/23/2009 12:54 PM
B Ward
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RE: all 29 episodes
Yes, the set is the complete series.

Brian

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6/24/2009 4:21 AM
beast7550
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RE: all 29 episodes
Then will that include the pilot episode that runs about an hour and a half?
6/24/2009 9:46 AM
Zaranyzerak
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RE: all 29 episodes
There were 28 regular episodes, and the 90 minute pilot making 29 total.  They couldn't call it "complete" if the pilot wasn't there, especially since it sets the whole saga in motion...

As for the release date, given how long we've already waited for this one (I had pretty much given up hope that it would ever be released!) a couple extra weeks is no biggie to me!  Besides, it's closer to Halloween, which works just fine for this show (which is, imnsho, one of the best horror shows EVER).  :)

OH!  Actually, I do have a question - is the original MUSIC intact for the pilot?  There were a couple of hit 80's songs in there originally, such as the opening scene in the night club ("Can You Hear Me Running?"), and shortly after when Eric is driving in his car ("My Future's So Bright I Gotta Wear Shades").


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6/24/2009 9:57 AM
B Ward
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RE: all 29 episodes
Those are the hopes and dreams.  We're working hard on it.

Brian

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7/14/2009 4:41 PM
Zaranyzerak
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RE: all 29 episodes
Sounds great!  I don't think they used any licensed music beyond the pilot, fortunately.  Oh, I sent you an e-mail today about a possible extra I have...

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8/11/2009 10:00 AM
B Ward
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RE: Werewolf
It is with an absolutely heavy heart that I have to announce the official postponement of Werewolf: The Complete Series.  There are a small handful of major music hurdles we still have to overcome.  Sadly, unlike some situations, this is not a case where we could simply remove/replace the music, as those audio tracks are married to the dialogue tracks.  In order to extract the music, we would literally need to extract the scenes completely.  And these are some fairly important scenes that, in some cases, run several minutes.

So we're still working on figuring it all out.  It's a great set and I hope to see it released shortly.  But it doesn't look like it's going to be on the books for '09.

I'll keep you updated.

Brian

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8/20/2009 6:34 AM
n8twing
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RE: Werewolf
Sigh. Remember a few weeks ago, on these boards, when I mentioned all the music issues with this show? And how some couldnt even be shown on CHILLER because of that? And I was concerned with the episodes/music rights on this DVD set? And some people thought I must be mistaken?

Sigh. I really hate to be right in this case.
8/20/2009 6:43 AM
zaxxar
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RE: Werewolf
n8twing, just be happy that this company is making an effort to clear all of the original music, unlike most companies that just outright replace them.
8/20/2009 6:44 AM
n8twing
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RE: Werewolf
Oh, I'm not disparaging SHOUT! They are awesome. I'm beyond pleased with the care and efforts they take in their DVD releases.
8/20/2009 10:30 AM
Zaranyzerak
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RE: Werewolf
Ah, poop.  I was afraid of that.  I know the two songs in the pilot were pretty popular back then...And yes, definitely important scenes (especially the first one, which sets a whole bunch of stuff up that's pretty much integral to the plot!)

Brian, did you get the e-mail I sent you a while back about a possible bit of bonus material I have?

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8/20/2009 1:47 PM
WKjun
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RE: Werewolf

Hello, I'm new here and I can't await Werewolf on DVD. Actually I wondered why there have not been any negative news about the making of the set, as we all know, the music industry wants their [DVD set maker] money cash.

However, I'm getting so angry that some companies (not Shout! I think and hope) do even consider the possibility of releasing a series or a movie censored, abridged or with music ripped out or replaced by anything!  I will never pay money for a DVD whose content has been treated that way. Face it, in that case you would buy the set possibly for the same price (the editing work has to be payed of corse) and they make even more money per minute of film but without paying expensive licences for the original music. I really would like to know the guy who had this idea of replacing music. Imagine Miami Vice withough the original 80s music! Well Werewolf fans, I fear if the music industry is too pricey we have to (do we?) watch the Miami Vice of horror series with crippled werewolfs.

My request: Release it original or leave it, until the music industry is coming to their senses.

Thanks for listening and please don't be offended!

8/20/2009 2:33 PM
B Ward
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RE: Werewolf
I'm of two minds, to be honest.  On one hand, I'm a purist.  I want what I watched to appear on DVD.

But here's the thing... No studio ever expected there to be a demand for complete seasons or series on home video.  Europe was doing it long before America picked up on it.  And when they licensed the music originally, they licensed it only for broadcast.  So it's not entirely the studios' fault.  They just didn't realize this was the future of their television series.

But, ultimately, I love the TV show I'm buying.  The soundtrack isn't always that important to me and, in some cases, I wouldn't even necessarily notice if a song was missing because it was so long since I'd seen it.  Only in certain situations, like Miami Vice or Quantum Leap, did it truly bother me because it was directly and emotionally involved with the episodes.  In the case of Miami Vice, the music was as much a character as Sonny Crockett or Ricardo Tubbs (or even Sonny's cars, for that matter).  In most cases, however, the song's not a creative decision by the directors.  It's a non-consequential track licensed by a music supervisor that thought it was good for the scene.  I can speak with authority about this, because one of our former sister companies licenses music to the studios for commercials, series and movies. 

But Mike & the Mechanics' "Silent Running" neither enhances nor detracts from the bar scene/attack itself.  So, if someone has to replace a song or two, I don't mind (unless it's obviously new music and doesn't fit, mind you).  The lack of a Bob Seeger song will not "cripple" the werewolves within the series.  The stories do not stand on the merit of their soundtracks.  So to say I'd (and by "I'd", I literally mean ME) rather not own it than own it without all of its original music is, only in my opinion, absurd.  I'd rather own the series.  Period.  I'd prefer to have all of the original music, especially if it's intregal to the story.  But if it's not and can be removed unobtrusively, do it.

Honestly, the biggest disgrace to hit DVD shelves is the third season of Friday Night Lights, which was a television series produced LAST YEAR and they STILL didn't negotiate home video rights for some of the music, which was later replaced for the DVD release.  On top of that, the longer episodes that aired on Direct TV were not the versions included on the DVDs.  Arrgh, don't get me started.

But the music industry will never "come to their senses."  In their minds, they already have.  They feel they're owed a particular amount of money for royalties and that's what they'll be paid or their song will not be cleared.  No skin of their teeth.

So that's how it is.  There are only a couple songs giving us trouble, but they're EXPENSIVE songs and we're just not sure we'd sell enough to meet the record labels' prices and still make any money whatsoever.  We've not stopped pursuing it.  We've put together a great set with some cool extras and a BEAUTIFUL cover, in my opinion.  I want people to own it.  Hopefully, sometime soon, they will.

Brian

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8/20/2009 3:09 PM
zaxxar
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RE: Werewolf
Wait. What does Bob Seger have to do Werewolf: The Series? I don't get it.
8/20/2009 3:45 PM
KidWOW
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RE: Werewolf
Looking forward to this even with a delay in place.  I love the quality SF is known for and always strives for.  Here's hoping that the music issues can be settled and that we (the customers and fans) do our part in making this a hot seller.
8/20/2009 3:55 PM
B Ward
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RE: Werewolf
One of his songs is in the series.  It was just an example.

Brian

----- Original Post -----
by zaxxar at 8/20/2009 3:09:12 PM

Wait. What does Bob Seger have to do Werewolf: The Series? I don't get it.


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8/20/2009 4:45 PM
TV_Fan
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RE: Werewolf

I've never seen the series but it sounds interesting and am planning to buy the DVD (whenever it is released).  So in my case I can't really comment on the music because I wouldn't know what I was missing.  However, if whole scenes have to be removed effecting the plot, that could be a problem.  I really hope the music issues get worked out somehow and this set gets released.  What are the options if the songs can't be cleared?  Is there a way to keep the scenes in there somehow?  I guess that would involve recording over with new dialogue somehow?

I agree with you Brian.  I am a purist when it comes to shows on DVD but accept sometimes music has to be replaced.  At least you guys try to clear the music, unlike certain companies like Paramount who just edit out virtually everything they can.  There would be certain shows where music is integral to the plot and couldn't be replaced, but as I've never seen Werewolf before I can't say for certain this is one of them.

 



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8/20/2009 5:13 PM
n8twing
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RE: Werewolf
good luck, Brian. We appreciate your efforts!

I also agree, I'd rather have the series with replaced music, than no release at all.
8/20/2009 7:19 PM
Zaranyzerak
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RE: Werewolf
Oh man, Silent Running is one of the ones giving you trouble?  That makes me sad.  It was actually the use OF that song that prompted my mom to check the show out, she was drawn to it by the music (she overheard it while I was re-watching my tape of the pilot movie for the umpteenth time, came into the room, sat down and watched the rest of it with me).  And she doesn't even like werewolf stories, generally.

But beyond that (obviously) very personal reason, I  just always felt that song fit the whole mood, atmosphere, and dreamlike MYSTERY of that first scene so beautifully...  Hope it gets sorted out!  It would be a shame to lose that one.

Maybe I'll do a blurb about the set being in the works on an upcoming MMC episode...help increase awareness a bit.  I know this kind of show would be right up most of my viewers' collective alleys.  :D

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8/21/2009 6:47 PM
WKjun
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RE: Werewolf

Hello again!

Thanks Brian for your opinion. It is very important for me to know where a company and their people stand for. I have to say that I extremely appreciate your efforts in this matter.

But I'd like to rebute some of your statements. Maybe I am too desperate for originality and nostalgia but for me it is out of the question to seriously watch a show/movie on DVD, that I admire and that was part of my childhood, in an altered form (and knowing that ).

Of course you can release DVDs for customers who never saw the show or don't care or apathetically oversee details. I think that the show IS intended to be like in 1987 and I must agree to Zaranyzerak's post that "Silent Running" is THE reason to watch it beyond the pilot. Just now I remember, after seeing it for the first time, not knowing that the track was not specifically made for the series, thinking what a brilliant show this is! And for the rest of the so called negligible music tracks, who could possibly know what tracks in the series captivated the viewers and what tracks can easily be replaced or deleted undetected?  Hm...

Well it is depressing to see that nobody in charge is willing to change the direction of the music licencing matter. It is indeed quiet stupid of the music industry to risk the money they would get out of such a release. Better some money than none money, or what do you think? If they were smart they would negotiate the price to assure the release (and payment) or they go away empty-handed just to let the disappointed fans know: "You pay what we want and we don't need your money [?]!"

And for Miami Vice I think that it is the music that carries the story and gave the impact at that time. I remember any series from that time in combination with the music because that whole thing is in my memory and hearing just the music reminds me of those scenes. Today music is way too underestimated in series and movies. But most people think of the ambience and atmosphere the show created at that time, not only because it was the 80s, but the music was just great and is connected with the series forever (i.e. Phil Collins "In the Air Tonight").

The same holds true for Werewolf. What if I am a Bob Seger fan? I often watch parts of movies and series mainly because of the music and what it induces in my mind. For me "Silent Running" is the acme of the 80s and my past. With Werewolf intact I may relive that time.

Best regards

8/29/2009 11:02 PM
mlucero1980
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RE: Werewolf

hello brian,

 

my question is are the dvd sets already made and are just waiting for the music clearance or are they still in the creation process?

cuz if worse comes to worse just release it without the music and as consumers we can put back the music into the series ourselves.

such as play the necessary song during the episode in the background while watching it.

my biggest concern is picture quality!

9/12/2009 8:46 PM
PatC74
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RE: Werewolf
And now, the official word from a reliable source on the Yahoo forums. Someone who's been responsible in getting this series noticed and a possible release:

It is with great sadness that I must deliver the devastating news that the
Werewolf TV Series will NOT be released to DVD. The Shout Factory has had to
abandon the project and give the series back to Sony.

The Shout Factory had to cancel the release because of two artists (which will
remain unnamed) that would not play ball. Sony does not have the individual
audio tracks, so they were unable to replace the songs, as the audio was mixed
together. The two songs were featured over dialogue scenes that could not be
cut. The Shout Factory's only option, even after spending a lot of time and
money on it, was to cancel it and give the title back to Sony. If Sony had the
audio tracks, it would have been easy to replace the two songs.

The Shout Factory and Sony are not at fault. This has happened due to the
greediness of the music industry.

So, twenty two years after the Werewolf series hit the airwaves, the fan made
copies of the original run and reruns will be the only testament of this great
series along with the web site I have put together.

...and may the venting begin.

Lone Wolf - Webmaster
http://www.werewolftv.com
9/12/2009 9:25 PM
zaxxar
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RE: Werewolf
Mike and the Mechanics are a bunch of greedy SOB's.

There, I said it.
9/15/2009 6:58 AM
MattMN
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RE: Werewolf
I tweeted this earlier, but it bears repeating... Shout Factor needs to think outside the box here a bit... why don't they just re-hire the two or three actors in those scenes and get them to ADR the dialogue, thus providing a clean audio track? It's a heck of a lot cheaper to hire two actors for an afternoon than it would be to pay through the nose to record companies and greedy copyright holders.

Then they can marry the newly recorded audio with some replacement music in those two scenes. From what I understand, they already have actor participation in the special features, so this should be a no-brainer. I'm sure the actors involved would rather do this bit of work than not have the set come out at all. And if the actors aren't interested or available, then use a sound-alike voice actor (there are plenty out there that are really really good at what they do) for those particular scenes.

With a bit of creativity, this could still happen, folks.  Of course, if the above approach does pan out, a special thank you credit to me in the DVD menu wouldn't go amiss ;o)
9/17/2009 12:45 PM
Zaranyzerak
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RE: Werewolf
Well, at least it seems the Timbuk3 song apparently didn't give you any trouble...  That and the Mike & The Mechanics one are the only licensed ones I remember.  What was the Bob Seger song?  Was there a lot of dialogue in the scene where it was used?

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9/18/2009 1:37 AM
mlucero1980
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RE: Werewolf

I agree 100%.This was one of the most wanted dvd sets on my list.Unnamed artist my ass they should reveal themselves so we can boycott their asses for stopping a great release in it's tracks.if SHOUT FACTORY has to return the show back to sony well then sony needs to give us the show then.I mean there has to be an amount of money these artists want and if SHOUT FACTORY couldn't settle it Then SONY needs to.Back about 6 years ago they had TV series polls and WEREWOLF was one of the choices but it didn't get enough votes but if we write sony and push the issue maybe they could give us the show.So everybody flood Sony with e-mails and phone calls and demand Werewolf Now!!!

If SONY want's Proof Well They Need to look At How Many Pre orders there we're for WEREWOLF!

I know i was gonna be waiting outside BEST Buy For My Copy And was planning on buying 2 Sets!One which i planned on never opening for Collector purposes!

9/22/2009 12:57 PM
PatC74
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RE: Werewolf
Here's a complete list of songs used in the order they appear in the series:

Mike & The Mechanics - Silent Running (Pilot)
Timbuk 3 - The Future's So Bright (I Gotta Wear Shades) (Pilot)
Los Lobos - Will The Wolf Survive (Episode 8)
Merle Haggard - Think I'll Just Stay Here And Drink (Episode 12)
T. Graham Brown - I Tell It Like It Used To Be (Episode 13)
Randy Travis - The Storms Of Life (Episode 15)
Bob Segar - Against The Wind (Episode 20)
Merle Haggard - Misery And Gin (Episode 22)
Lynyrd Skynrd - What's Your Name (Episode 27)
9/22/2009 1:21 PM
B Ward
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RE: Werewolf
While I'm not saying that this is one of those cases, in some cases, it has nothing to do with money.  Sometimes, the artists simply say "no, you cannot use the song."  So it's not always about greed, per se.  Again, I'm not saying this was one of those cases, but I'm not saying it wasn't, either.

As for Mike + the Mechanics, don't be too hard on 'em.  They were NOT one of the offending artists.  And that's all I'm saying about that, so don't try to play the elimination game based on future comments.

Thirdly, I'm afraid hiring the cast for re-looping is out of the question.  For starters, certain members necessary specifically turned us down for interviews, let alone a complete performance.  In addition, we simply couldn't afford that.  I mean, it would require studio time (and a lot of it for ADR) and SAG rates for each performer.  Then, lord forbid there be sound effects throughout the scene.  We'd need foley artists, as well.  We don't have the money for a full post production session on these titles.  The studios wouldn't have even footed the bill for something like that.

Sorry, gang.

Brian

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9/22/2009 2:30 PM
Zaranyzerak
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RE: Werewolf
Well on the plus side, at least we can be happy Mike wasn't a poopyhead about it after all!  :)  Not that anything would ever affect my enjoyment of their awesome music, of course...

Damn, so it was (maybe, but not necessarily but could've been) a case of the artists simply saying "no" for no adequately explained reason?  That actually sucks worse than if it WAS just greed.  At least with GREED you can often find some kind of workaround.  But not so if they just decide willy-nilly that "they'd rather not."  I can totally understand the frustration of trying to negotiate in those kinds of cases.

Example:  Some friends and I made a TON of short movies back in the early 90's, through which I learned a lot about editing, scene composition, etc.  Skills which are invaluable to me today.  So I wanted to show some of those old movies on my YouTube page, as I KNOW my viewers would really enjoy seeing them.  But some of the friends involved basically said if I showed them they would sue my ass.  No reason given, there's nothing embarrassing about the movie themselves, they just said NO.  Occasional re-attempts at reason have been met with the same response.  So yeah, frustrating as hell when that happens.

For what it's worth, loved the cover art for the Werewolf DVD Set...at least we got some of the first new official art in years with the making of this release...

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9/22/2009 3:45 PM
zaxxar
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RE: Werewolf

I don't know if anyone knows this or not, but at one point, the 2-hour pilot for "Werewolf" had a limited run on VHS. However it was only released in the U.K. in the PAL Region, which menas that yep, the official VHS release suffers from PAL Speedups.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Werewolf-John-York/dp/B001V2MB30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=video&qid=1253663016&sr=1-1

Oh, and Brian, I'm sorry for what I said about Mike + The Mechanics.

9/26/2009 11:04 PM
mlucero1980
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RE: Werewolf

Brian,

 

   no offense but we deserve to know exactly what artists stopped this release.

for instance i run into Randy Travis alot in the town i live in because he lives in my town and i would definitely let him know how offended i was that he refused to let this show be released because one of his songs.of course i would say it in a polite way.

 

also my other question.

does this mean that the werewolf tv series can never be released not even by sony considering they own the show?

because in another post i referred to the tv on dvd poll from a few years ago had werewolf listed to vote for release but it didn't recieve enought votes.

what i'm trying to ask is do we still have a chance of it being released ever?

 

 

9/30/2009 2:26 PM
B Ward
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RE: Werewolf
With all due respect, no, you don't have the right to know which two artists declined the use of their music in the series.  It's a business deal.  They don't particularly want all of their fans (and especially their non-fans) knowing their business.  It is the prerogative of the artist to decline the use of their music for any purpose, regardless of its usage in the past.

Furthermore, we have no news to declare that comes right out and says these artists are the ones that refused or set too high a price of royalty.  Keep in mind that few artists own their music.  Publishing and masters are often owned by a record label and/or publisher.  You think we call Randy Travis up personally and ask for his permission to use the music?  Of course not.  We go through Mr. Travis' record label.  They are the ones to tell us "yes" or "no" or set prices.  And it's not really a negotiation.  We either agree to the price or not.  And if they or the artist simply say "no", the record label is still the entity to tell us, not Randy.  Or, rather, it would be an extremely rare occurrence when Randy told us "no" himself.  So letting Randy Travis know you're offended would, I'm sure, take him a bit off guard.  As it would with any artist who had no idea what you were talking about.

This setback doesn't mean the show will never be released.  Music rights are considerably cheaper and easier to obtain overseas.  Tales of the Gold Monkey, I understand, will be released overseas shortly.  No one--and I mean NO ONE--can afford the estimated music costs it would take to release that series in the U.S.  Still, if you have a region-free DVD player, you can pick up the European release when it's released.  Same goes for Werewolf, if anyone chose to release it elsewhere.

But Werewolf is a niche series.  And you can't expect gigantic sales numbers, so I wouldn't expect Sony to release it, as they literally NEED gigantic numbers to make any money off of their releases.  Another small company could see what they could do.  I dunno.  I don't see it happening any time soon, but I could be wrong.

I hope I am.

Brian

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9/30/2009 8:56 PM
mlucero1980
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RE: Werewolf

Im Sorry Brian,

 

             I in now way meant any offence as to what i said above.I'm just venting because this was the one release i was waiting for since dvd's we're invented and for my hopes to finally be brought up then come crashing down it just hit me pretty hard.I do respect all the effort you put into at least trying to bring the show to it's fans and i do want to commend you on some of the work you have brought to us in the past (Punky Brewster,My so called life etc.)i remember when My so called life went out of print a few years ago some greedy people on ebay wanted an arm and a leg for the dvd set but you rescued us from that financial burden and gave us the show.

 

so brian i thank you and hope that some day we will get werewolf on dvd complete.

but i hope until then the bootleggers out there don't get too rich off of the terrible quality dvd's.

10/1/2009 10:01 AM
B Ward
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RE: Werewolf
Mlucero1980, I don't mean to suggest that you came off as offensive.  And I apologize, if you thought I was coming down specifically on your comment.  There is a natural--and understandable--tendency within any fan community to take ownership of a property; to feel like they're owed some sort of explanation as to why things aren't going the way they'd hoped, never truly taking into account the fact that there are business factors going on behind the scenes that no one outside the room--including myself, at times--will ever be privy to.

"After all," they tell me.  "We're the reason the show was such a success."  While this might be true, it's only half true.  The creators of the show are a pretty big factor, too.  It's a symbiotic relationship to the nth degree. 

I was responding to your post, merely as a response to all posts and emails I get on a daily basis demanding accountability for their favorite shows not making it to DVD.  In another thread, Shout! Factory was somehow blamed for The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles animated series not coming to DVD.  As if we were its last great hope and then quashed it.  For the record, we never owned the license to TMNT and, to the best of my knowledge, never will.  But I certainly thought the same thing about Transformers and G.I. Joe, so who knows?

We work in a business world that didn't exist 20 years ago.  I can tell you right now that the creators of Werewolf had no intention of the series ever coming to home video.  Why would it?  That would be unprecedented in the U.S.  No one thought there'd be a viable market for complete television series on home video (or DVD and Blu-ray later) until it became a major success overseas and, suddenly, everyone saw there was money to be made.  As a result, when studios, producers and music supervisors originally licensed songs (if they licensed songs-- I'm looking at you, SCTV), they licensed it for broadcast.  No one thought to license these songs for anything else.  Now, they do.  But those shows created before the success of TV on DVD are left waiting in the wings for someone with the deepest of pockets to pay for uber-popular music rights.  This isn't always the fault of the artist.  Sometimes, those record label suits really are the black hats.  But sometimes, they're not.  It's very tricky stuff. 

One thing to always keep in mind, for everyone: There are a hundred things going on behind the Great Oz's curtain and I keep you apprised of maybe two of them at any given time.  So no vigilante justice from anyone.  It won't help you get your favorite series released.  And it certainly won't help our relationships with studios, further damaging your chances of getting your favorite series released.

Oh, and by the way... Any posts-- and possibly full threads-- will be deleted, if there's talk of bootlegging.  We may not be releasing the series at this time, but we paid a lot for the permission to do it and if you're gonna take it upon yourself to release it, you should too.

Thanks, guys.  You're still the best.

Brian

"Know Thyself" --Thales
10/1/2009 3:49 PM
potnoodle
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RE: Werewolf
Hey Brian, look on the bright side - at least no one is threatening to flush kittens down the toilet in this thread.
10/1/2009 4:46 PM
B Ward
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RE: Werewolf
Well played, sir.  Well played.

Brian

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10/1/2009 9:11 PM
mlucero1980
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Member since: 8/29/2009
RE: Werewolf

Absolutely Brian,

 

         i didn't take it personally in any way i just wanted the show released on dvd so much for 2 reasons.

            1. i haven't seen it in over 22 years and when i did i was only 7 years old and too young to take the liberty and tape it for nostalgia reasons.

2.it hasn't been in syndication rotation since usa network re ran it so it's understandable that theere is a demand for it by us nostalgic freaks.

 

but in all honesty brian i don't really believe that it won't be a high number seller i mean i'm sure once people saw it on the shelf in store's it would fly off the shelve's pretty fast considering the already established fan base but new generations would discover it just by the cool as hell artwork you guys had made.

i mean if married with children was from the same time period why wouldn't this sell?

10/2/2009 9:21 AM
B Ward
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RE: Werewolf
In fairness, "high numbers" means different things to different companies and people.  Sony would need to sell roughly 100,000 copies to consider it any kind of success.  From experience, I can definitively say Werewolf would not have sold that.  Maybe a tenth.

Brian

"Know Thyself" --Thales
10/2/2009 8:43 PM
tudors4theking
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Member since: 10/2/2009
RE: Werewolf
I don't know Brian, I am in not in the marketing field in my job, but I think more than 10,000 copies would be sold. I think sometimes the producers of dvds sometimes often under estimate the  desire for certain products because the venues that are now used via online technology is probably not often used by the older generations by the show. I remember when www.tvshowsondvd.com  made a statement about the two artists not releasing the rights. I think it's horrible, whether it be them or those that own the song. I think having lived in L.A. and being in the business, sometimes the fans of the shows are so often overlooked and they are honestly the ones that make a show or a person a cult classic or icon. I don't blame the previous posts for wanting to know the artist involved, I think there are several people out there that would. I for one, was like that when I read the statement.  Now mind you, I don't think your job is an easy one and perhaps most people think that those in your position can wave a magic wand and magically make it happen. I am not that much of an idiot to think that. I personally am impressed with what SHOUT has been able to release. And of course it would possibly open you up for liability to mention those names.  But anyway, I am also disappointed that it will not be released, I barely remember seeing an episode of it once or twice and I remember it was pretty scary, more than likely I would not think the same thing. But anyway, I wanted to put my two cents in on the matter. LOL Not that anyone particularly cares, but there ya go. Just a curiousity, how long does it usually take for SHOUT to obtain rights for a show, I am sure it does vary, but for older shows I am surprised that it is difficult. Do you split the fees with the studio, pay out a percentage, or what is usually the status quo for most of the shows that SHOUT puts out. Do you license the show or have you actually ever purchased the rights to the show. Anyway, have a great weekend.
10/2/2009 8:45 PM
tudors4theking
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RE: Werewolf

P.S. Sometimes I think so fast my fingers don't catch up. I meant to say there are probably more fans of the show than what you might realize.

10/2/2009 11:26 PM
mlucero1980
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Member since: 8/29/2009
RE: Werewolf

there you go Brian,

 

the guy that posted above me pretty much said it all for me.

not many fans of the show are very computer literate but they have good memories and this show was one of the shows that started Fox Network and made it what it is today.

the pilot was so good they aired it twice in the same week to establish what a great show they produced.They wanted it to succeed.However chuck connors departure from the series caused many of his fans to stop tuning in and hence ratings drop.

but i think it deserved more than just one season.and more than deserves a dvd release if not by shout factory by some other company.

many fan petitions have come and gone to get this show released but if the music is stopping it i guess it could possibly remain in a vault for all time (hope not).

 plus in one of my other message board postings i mentioned that i was planning on buying 2 copies of the set for collector purposes.so if others think like me i'm sure they would buy more than one copy to pass out to friends to encourage more sales of the set.

believe it or not brian but a few years ago i actually had a ink stamp made up that stamped "please release Werewolf Tv Series from The 80's on dvd" and stamped all my money for a year straight.so someone would see the demand for the series on dvd.

6/14/2010 9:37 AM
malicedoom
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Member since: 12/21/2009
RE: Werewolf

Wow - am I behind on things - I just found out about this.

Such a shame - this would have been a great release.  Wasn't Werewolf the show that included the character of Janos Skorzeny at one point as a 'nod' to the character from the original 'The Night Stalker' (Kolchak) TV movie??



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6/15/2010 2:00 PM
greenguy
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Member since: 2/21/2010
RE: Werewolf
Yep....that's the one. Skorzeny was played by Chuck Conners.
6/22/2010 2:47 PM
Skylab
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Member since: 6/22/2010
RE: Werewolf
Longtime fan.
8/21/2010 2:35 AM
Lord Cashacon
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Member since: 11/10/2009
RE: Werewolf
me too, scared the bejeezuz out of me as a kid

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