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riot4jem
Member since: 3/18/2009 | | Could the name of this forum be changed? | | “Saturday Morning (Mario, Sonic, Sabrina, etc.)” doesn’t really seem to fit the new Hasbro/Sunbow shows. So a lot of new members are skipping over this cartoon forum and posting on the “Classic TV I’d love to see on Shout! Factory DVD” instead. Angering a lot of members.
Maybe it could be changed to something like Cartoon Café (with distributor names -- Sunbow, D.I.C., etc.)
While I’m at it :) Is there any way for the forums to sort by newest post to the threads? I think that might help stop certain titles (JEM) from being posted in new threads over and over again – instead of all fans of a show posting in that shows thread.
thanks
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12thman
Member since: 3/20/2008 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | | I owe you a apology riot4jem I should't of gotten as sharp with you as I did and apologize.You are just trying to get your show on and I can relate. |
| | | 5/25/2009 3:56 PM |
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | Why change the name of the forum when it seems that it's only you (and those that you've had a direct hand in sending here) who doesn't understand where to post about cartoons? You made a lengthy post on the Jem board you frequent a while back stating your personal mis-interpretation of the Saturday morning board and directing everyone to the Classic TV boards, even though by that point it had been made clear by multple users here that those boards were NOT the place for those posts. It seems that any confusion about those boards is of your own making, not Shout Factory's, as a direct result of that post in which you directed everyone to the Classic TV boards. YOU caused all the confusion, not the name of the board.
You're taking the name of the forum too literally. While it's CALLED Saturday Morning, that doesn't mean it's JUST for shows that aired on Saturday Mornings. It's the CARTOON board, pure and simple, regardless of what the original scheduling for the show was. That should be pretty clear from a simple glance at the board. ALL the discussions in here are about cartoons, while on a similar note you rarely, if ever, see cartoon discussions on the other boards. And when you do, they are ALWAYS re-directed to this board. Most people when they hear the term "Saturday Mornings" automatically think "cartoons."
Most relevant, perhaps, would be the current threads about the upcoming Transformers and G.I. Joe releases. Which were both also Sunbow shows, and both also syndicated, and ALL threads pertaining to those shows are on the Saturday Morning board. Jem goes in this board, plain and simple.
I want it on DVD too - it was one of Sunbow's best shows. But flooding the forums, the WRONG forums especially, isn't going to get you anywhere. If anything it just irritates everyone and works against your cause more than helping it.
So in short, please stop beating this dead horse about how you feel the Saturday Morning board is mis-named. We get it. You've mentioned it every time someone tries to get you to move the discussion to the appropriate forum and stop sending people to the Classic TV forums. But personal interpretations aside, THIS is the board for ALL cartoon related discussions, regardless of what day of the week they original aired. When you frequent a site like this looking to help get your favorite show released, the same rules apply as to any other message board - browse around FIRST, making sure you post your requests in the right place. That way they are more likely to be seen by the right departments, and you don't irritate the regulars of the boards who are intimately familiar with the various forums and what does or doesn't belong there.
Hope this clarifies any remaining confusion.
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riot4jem
Member since: 3/18/2009 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | Thank you, I appreciate it. But it’s not the big of a deal. The frustrations are on both sides.
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by 12thman at 5/25/2009 2:35:16 PM
I owe you a apology riot4jem I should't of gotten as sharp with you as I did and apologize.You are just trying to get your show on and I can relate.
Zaranyzerak, I was hoping to see if Brian would read this and tell me if it could be changed or not, since he often post on his Transformers and G.I. Joe threads.
Yes, I did start it ALL by posting that first thread under the TV you would love on DVD forum – you CAN'T blame me for every Jem fan who has posted there instead of Saturday Morning forum.
Especially, when I NEVER TOLD any one to post in the TV forum – I was telling and was hoping everyone would post in ONE thread (whether I put that thread in the wrong place or not), so the requests would be more affective. I don’t like the Jem “spamming” any more then anyone else. From a corporate standpoint, I wouldn’t pay attention to any thoughts or comments in 100s of single post threads, if I were in the Shout! marketing department, I would be looking at the threads that have 100 posts to them. It would take too much time to find each single-post thread, than reading though one thread with a lot of post would be easier and less time consuming. And I get that other titles are dropping of the page because of multiple Jem threads, and that’s not cool.
Yes, I can post something about only using the Saturday Morning forum, on the Jem board your talking about -- I don’t think you or everyone else seems to realize there is more then just one Jem board/site. There are tons of Jem board, mailing list, websites, myspace, facebook, etc., and a lot of them have something about the Shout! Transformers and G.I. Joe DVDs – so I don’t see any way to insure every Jem fan comes to Saturday Morning, and all post in the same thread. They are not all coming from the same place – you place way to much importance on my role in the Jem community.
And like I said above, I recommend everyone posting in my original thread, within an hour or two people were making their own Jem threads. So how would it make any difference if I posted to use “Saturday Morning” on the same board as before – either other Jem fans from that board took it upon themselves to post a new thread, or they didn’t come from my post on the Jem board.
Most of the Jem fans are going to come to this board, not knowing where to post – so unless the “Last Post” has Jem (or maybe Transformers or G.I. Joe) on the title they will look for the forum that seems to be correct – and if they want a DVD, there seems to be only one forum that stands out.
Your attacking me for other people posting in the wrong forum – it’s not my fault. The people post of the first time are also feeling attacked. And, if you have to reply to tell someone they posted in the wrong spot, it’s too late, they posted it -- they can’t move it, they can’t delete it. So you’re the beating the dead horse. They posted it; it was not the best spot – so you want them to post the same thing under Saturday Morning, so Jem is “spamming” both forums.
Sorry for trying being proactive and make a suggestion that might make life easier for everyone.
And what kills me is the Transformer threads in the “Classic TV I’d love to see on Shout! Factory DVD” forum – no one told them, they posted in the wrong spot. So if I’m the only idiot, oh and the god of Jem spam, as you are stating I am, how are non-Jem people following me lead. And if this WRONG forum thing is such a big deal to you, so why don’t you tell the posters that when you reply in their "TV on DVD" Transformer threads.
Ex: http://www.shoutfactory.com/community/1556/thread.aspx
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by Zaranyzerak at 5/25/2009 3:56:18 PM
Why change the name of the forum when it seems that it's only you (and those that you've had a direct hand in sending here) who doesn't understand where to post about cartoons? You made a lengthy post on the Jem board you frequent a while back stating your personal mis-interpretation of the Saturday morning board and directing everyone to the Classic TV boards, even though by that point it had been made clear by multple users here that those boards were NOT the place for those posts. It seems that any confusion about those boards is of your own making, not Shout Factory's, as a direct result of that post in which you directed everyone to the Classic TV boards. YOU caused all the confusion, not the name of the board.
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Notundercovercop327
Member since: 1/28/2008 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | The answer to your question, No. It would be a waste of time and it would only appease you.
Shout Factory knows how to release televsion, now if only they could release Legends Of the HIdden Temple. One can always dream. |
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fatalbert
Member since: 4/30/2009 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | Yea can we please change it to the all things jem thread get over yourself riot4jem. |
| | | 5/25/2009 11:34 PM |
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B Ward
Member since: 1/12/2007 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | I certainly see the point. Not everything discussed here is "Saturday morning" fodder. Shout has evolved since we named the category. I don't see why it can't be changed.
Brian
"Know Thyself"
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| | | 5/26/2009 3:41 AM |
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N8 Storm
Member since: 2/22/2007 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | | I think changing the name to "Animation" or something like that would be a good idea. I also like the idea of threads with newest posts being first, with threads like the the definitive Transformers and G.I. Joe threads still being stickied. |
| | | 5/26/2009 4:53 AM |
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riot4jem
Member since: 3/18/2009 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | Thanks Brian
For everybody else who thinks I have an ego: It’s not me – it’s not about me – I’m not doing it. Yes, I had posted in wrong spot, and personally I don’t personally have a problem posting the Jem topics under the Saturday Morning header – especially once the “The Definitive” where posted over here. I get it.
I’m asking for everyone who has made the same mistake since then. I’m not the only person that made the mistake of posting on classic TV/DVD forum. And the people that are posting under the classic TV/DVD forum are not following my lead, the people that did follow my lead did post in the thread http://www.shoutfactory.com/community/1431/thread.aspx
Other people are making the same mistake, so I just thought of a possible solution. So it’s not about me or my ego or anything like that. I’m just sick of people being upset because they thought they were able to post their requests, and get a less then friend response saying they screwed up.
It just cracks me up -- people that complain the loudest, also complain about a possible solution. I don’t get it. I do get posting over under Saturday Morning, I just don’t get constant negative reaction of everything.
It really feels like I’m back in grade school. The big bad bullies have to pick on the girls and the perceived “sissy” kids.
Don’t forget it’s not all about you either. It’s about Shout! Factory, it’s their board – and acting negatively is only making Shout! look negative, by association. I don’t want that, and I didn’t think any other board members here wanted that either.
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bmhedgehog
Member since: 4/16/2007 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | While we're on the subject. Brian can you please create a fourm for gameshow fans. A couple of months ago a friend of mine wanted to pull some strings with Shout Factory to get Gameshow Marathon to DVD and I wanted to post a request here on the forums, unfortunatly there is no category or a good place in the fourm to talk about game shows. So could you please create a category for gameshows. Thanks in Advance.
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by B Ward at 5/25/2009 11:34:54 PM
I certainly see the point. Not everything discussed here is "Saturday morning" fodder. Shout has evolved since we named the category. I don't see why it can't be changed.
Brian
"Know Thyself" --Thales
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | I'm not going to argue about it, sorry you seem to have taken such offense at my post. I will address some of your individual points.
1. Yes, you DID send legions of Jem fans to the wrong board. You posted on the jemcon.org message board a couple of months ago directing them to the Classic TV board, having prefaced your post with your personal diatribe about how "Jem wasn't on Saturday Mornings, therefore it doesn't belong there!" in spite of being told otherwise several times already by users HERE. I was going to post the link to the specific thread, but oh look - suddenly my IP is blocked from even reading that forum for no apparent reason. Lovely.
2. Yes, one thread with 100 replies would get far more attention than 100 threads with none.
3. I am fully aware of how large the Jem fanbase is, and the multitudes of sites out there. I was not disputing the size of the fandom. It's huge, easily comparable to other successful shows from the era.
4. I don't think you place ENOUGH importance on your part in the fan community. The aforementioned jemcon thread had quite a number of replies the last time I was actually able to look at it. And don't forget, there are always lurkers on message boards. Far more lurkers than posters most of the time. Never underestimate the power of ONE post to get a fanbase fired up about something.
5. The reason you have become "targeted," as it were, is simply because you have set yourself up as a spokesperson for the fanbase. You directed them here to begin with, you have fielded the majority of questions about the show, and you have mis-directed the vast majority of people to the wrong forum. I mean, your username is even "RIOT4Jem" suggesting that you intended to incite riots in favor of getting Jem released (and yes, I know you've used that name elsewhere since long before coming here, but you can surely understand how it might create a bad impression under the circumstances). Not literally, obviously, but the message board flooding was certainly the online equivalent of a riot. So come on, stop trying to play innocent. You know you've been key in this whole effort. Everyone HERE knows it, the evidence is online in this and other forums, and denying it only casts you in a more negative light.
You were told repeatedly by people who have been on the board far longer than you (and are intimately familiar with what goes where and WHY) that you were posting in the wrong forum. Instead of simply saying, "Sorry guys, I'll move it to the right board!" you instead chose to argue the point and continued to direct people to the wrong board. Not the best way to get on everyone's good side. We tried to help, you argued the point, we got annoyed by your stubbornness on the issue, and somehow that makes us the bad guys. Makes perfect sense.
6. Regarding the TF posters posting in the wrong forums - most of them ARE re-directed to the correct thread. Plus they didn't flood the other boards with hundreds of posts.
There's nothing wrong with being passionate about a show and wanting it put out on DVD. That's what everyone talks about here. But there's a RIGHT way and a WRONG way. You've learned the hard way what the wrong way is, now let's see some ACTUAL proactive discussion on the subject. I think you must have missed the part in my post where I said I would ALSO like to see Jem on DVD. In fact, I've responded a few times on the subject. But I'm not going to flood Shout with posts on the subject. Make ONE thread. In the RIGHT board. Direct people THERE. Then it will be a better showing of just how many people are interested.
Example - look how many posts there are in the Transformers and G.I. Joe threads. MASSIVE response! Let's see a Jem thread like that as well. But not with a hundred posts by three people. Let's see the ENTIRE fanbase (or as many as can be gathered) post in that thread, proving to Shout Factory what a hot property it is. Then, when things calm down a bit after the TF and Joe releases, maybe they'll take a look at it, who knows?
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by riot4jem at 5/25/2009 7:37:54 PM
Zaranyzerak, I was hoping to see if Brian would read this and tell me if it could be changed or not, since he often post on his Transformers and G.I. Joe threads.
Yes, I did start it ALL by posting that first thread under the TV you would love on DVD forum – you CAN'T blame me for every Jem fan who has posted there instead of Saturday Morning forum.
Especially, when I NEVER TOLD any one to post in the TV forum – I was telling and was hoping everyone would post in ONE thread (whether I put that thread in the wrong place or not), so the requests would be more affective. I don’t like the Jem “spamming” any more then anyone else. From a corporate standpoint, I wouldn’t pay attention to any thoughts or comments in 100s of single post threads, if I were in the Shout! marketing department, I would be looking at the threads that have 100 posts to them. It would take too much time to find each single-post thread, than reading though one thread with a lot of post would be easier and less time consuming. And I get that other titles are dropping of the page because of multiple Jem threads, and that’s not cool.
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riot4jem
Member since: 3/18/2009 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | I like the number system that makes it easy. So I’ll go though them.
1.) I don’t think it’s wrong to question, why your thinking one thing and others are thinking something else. There was several posts on the TV/DVD post before anyone started having issue with it. So I was just trying to figure out why it was such a big deal. So now I’m trying to make sure the posts are in the correct forum – you’re flipping out about something that happened two months ago. And I asked question of Brian, and he seemed agreeable, and other members also thing it’s a good idea. If he didn’t think it was a good idea, or could not change it, then that would have been that – So really I don’t see relevance of going on and on.
I have no idea why your IP would be blocked – nor should it be as far as I know. I have never heard of the board blocking people’s IP.
5. a.) I’m not the target; the target has been the people that accidentally post in the wrong place and felt like they got a PERCEIVED rude response.
b.) I’m sorry, I just have to quote this “I mean, your username is even "RIOT4Jem" suggesting that you intended to incite riots in favor of getting Jem released (and yes, I know you've used that name elsewhere since long before coming here, but you can surely understand how it might create a bad impression under the circumstances). Not literally, obviously, but the message board flooding was certainly the online equivalent of a riot.”
Really??? I think that’s pretty funny -- finding out how long I have used an name is kind of scary, I’m feeling stocked. :)
Really??? And riot4jem, do you see the picture to the left – that is Riot of the Stingers, a main character on Jem and the Holograms. He just loved Jem, so I thought it was cute – and it works. So if you know and love the show so much -- how you do not know Riot? But to basically prejudge someone based on their name, not knowing them or why they choose the name – that’s just sad.
c.) I was told what twice, maybe three times – how many other people have also been told. I’m not the only person being told, and I’m not telling people to fluid the forums with Jem threads.
6.) the Transformer posts in TV/DVD don’t have thing saying to re-direct them to Saturday Morning – that’s just as clear as day.
I don’t even know what to say, since “only three Jem fans” here. Did you not notice a bunch of other members, besides the “only three Jem fans” posting? I guess the Jem fandom is different, it’s a community so we communicate, encourage, give kudos, etc. I don’t see an issue with posting, and then going back and replying that you liked someone’s ideas or coming up with new ideas and putting them out there to see what other people think. I don’t see how that affects non-Jem board members if it’s happening within the original Jem thread, or the first couple of Jem threads.
To look at the Transformers and G.I. Joe threads -- I see the same thing, there are more people, but a lot of the same members are replying over and over again in the same threads. So I really don’t see the difference. Is it a numbers issue? Because anyone and everyone knows that Jem won’t have the number of Transformers or G.I. Joe have – Jem was only aired from 1985 to 1992. So the fan base could not be anywhere near the same size as toys/shows that have constantly been in the market for 25 years. But when Rhino brought out the DVDs they sure sold well, and seems that Rhino depleted their stock for the 2 sets they did release before they lost the rights.
And you seem to be replying in this thread a lot too – and not staying on topic for this thread.
And if you haven’t noticed, I know that Shout! does not have the licensing for the Jem titles and Hasbro isn’t worried about Jem this year – they have a lot going on with the DVDs, Movies, and new TV Channel. Other then starting up a post about getting Jem CDs, I have not started any new posts – or posted that much about Jem. The Jem CD post, is to see if enough people would be interested in CDs, so maybe Shout! could see about getting the licensing to include a CD release too.
Edit: Just have to add, the official word on the Jem DVDs was posted in the TV/DVD forum -- not on Saturday Morning.
I hope your getting over this, I know I am.
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | Like I said, I have no desire to argue. I'm approaching this as a discussion, and hopefully a resolution, to an ongoing issue that was started with the best of intentions by a well meaning fan that simply got mis-directed in the process. But let's hope this clears up any remaining confusion, and steers the discussion back to more agreeable areas:
1. I'm not "flipping out." I am simply attempting to clarify for you WHY exactly people may be responding in what you perceive to be a hostile manner. In order to properly explain the whole sequence of events, I needed to present a history of the events in question - hence referring to events from two months ago up to and including now. No idea why I'm suddenly unable to access the jemcon forums either, but every link I clicked on there brought up a 403 FORBIDDEN page.
5. a) I explained why those response may have seemed rude, how those people could have prevented such a response by lurking a bit and seeing where the appropriate forum would be, and how you mis-directed many people to post in the wrong forum in the first place.
b) When the posts began flooding the forums, I suspected that there was a Jem fan forum somewhere that was rallying fans to do so. I did a bit of googling, a lo and behold - there was the jemcon post, posted by you, directing everyone to post here, in the wrong forum. Not stalking at all, simply researching to get to the bottom of WHY there were suddenly so many posts flooding the forums. My hunch was right, and you were the cause of it. Or at the very least, you started the ball rolling and more Jem fans ran with it long after the orignial rallying call went out. As I said before, don't underestimate the power of ONE post to get fans worked up over something - or under-value your own place as an active Jem fan.
As for the character of Riot, I only saw as far as the first half or so of the original series, so I am not familiar with that character. But you can understand how someone NOT familiar with the series, or at the very least unfamiliar with that character, might mis-perceive your name in the way that I described, given the circumstances? (ie: the majority of people posting in these forums) It was a judgment made based on EVENTS and the seeming correlation between those events, your involvement in said events, and your username. Fine, it turns out it was just a coincidence. But you can surely see how it could look suspect under the circumstances?
You're taking the "three Jem fans" thing out of context. My point was to use that thread to show how many people are interested. With Transformers and G.I. Joe it's fairly common knowledge that they are both MASSIVE properties with equally massive fanbases, so they really don't have to prove it to anyone. But the fact is, there are plenty of different people responding in those threads as well. If you want to show how huge the Jem fanbase is in comparison, you'd need to be more convincing.
Again, *I* am fully aware how massive the fanbase is. I'm a fan myself. Obviously not as hardcore a fan as you, but I enjoyed the show and would very much like to see the rest of it at some point. But I'm just me. I'm not the one who needs to be convinced. Of course there's nothing wrong with communicating ideas back and forth with fans in such a thread. I never said there was. That's great, and should be encouraged. My point was just that in ADDITION to that, there should be a variety of people posting to further show how large the fanbase is.
It actually IS about numbers. It's ALL about numbers, especially in these harsh economic times. Shout Factory needs to sell a minimum of 15,000 units of a title for it to be considered profitable. That's the bottom line. Can Jem hit that target with each release for the series? Honestly, I think it can. EASILY. If you've got some actual sales figures you could throw into the mix, that would be a huge incentive I'm sure. But it wouldn't hurt to have a well-populated thread discussing the subject anyway. That, plus sales figures, plus ideas about how it could be made the best darned DVD set in existence would ALL serve to help your cause. Moreso in the proper board, and consolidated all under one thread. Less repetition, more constructive dialogue that way.
As for the official word being posted in the other forum, do you think that somehow makes it all okay? No. That's where the posts were, despite the efforts of many people to convince you (and everyone else) to take them here, so that's where you ultimately got the response. But the bottom line is, they SHOULD have been HERE to begin with. And if they were, the THIS is where you would have received that response.
And I agree, the CDs would be an awesome extra. Shout managed to do something similar with Sonic Underground, so it would be aces if they could do it with Jem.
In conclusion, if you haven't picked up on it by now - I fully SUPPORT your cause and am ON YOUR SIDE. But at the same time, I've been on these boards for a while and know the rules. Great if the forum name changes. It's still the same forum inside, and still where these posts should have been in the first place. Hope this puts it all to rest, and the Jem discussion can begin anew with more productive results.
- Zaranyzerak
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Zaranyzerak
Member since: 5/28/2008 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | Wow, thank you for giving my fingers such a good workout. I think I could crush walnuts with my pinky now. Yeah yeah, I know I'm long-winded. That's my last ramble for a while.
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bmhedgehog
Member since: 4/16/2007 | | RE: Could the name of this forum be changed? | dang yo!
Hey Johnny! I hope your paying attention to all this, you could learn something from this and theres going to be a quiz tomorrow.
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