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2/11/2009 8:18 AM
dsman71
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Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?
A long time ago Rhino DVD did something a lot of MST3K fans hated, and that was to release The Essentials which contained Santa Claus Conquers the Martians, which was great, but it came with Manos, the Hands of Fate, which was already and still is a solo DVD from Rhino. Yes it was a double dip - I bought it because it contained Santa Claus,but had to deal with I had 2 DVDs of Manos now. Now nothing against Manos, it is a mega popular episode but one DVD is enough (isnt it?)
So I was wondering if B-Ward might release it again, either seperately or in a set with actual un-released episodes ?
Would MST fans go for this ? Would fans keep the Essentials anyway or would they be part of used DVD shelves in retail stores ?
This is one title I wouldnt mind seeing alone or in an all new set...

DMS
2/11/2009 12:03 PM
Skooj
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?
B Ward has said repeatedly that Shout wants to avoid re-releasing Rhino episodes, including the out-of-print ones. This makes them re-releasing Santa, which is still in print, very unlikely. Especially considering that most of us have already purchased it through the Essentials set. My advice: buy the Essentials (preferably the edition with Shorts Vol 3), then sell the Manos disc on eBay.
2/11/2009 1:41 PM
dsman71
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?
I already have the Essentials and Manos - I had thought of getting rid of Manos, but was hoping we would see Santa in a solo DVD, I know SF didnt want to re-release titles, but to me this would be an exception for reasons I stated. Anyway whatever will be will be

DMS
2/12/2009 4:42 PM
NiceguyCody
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?

What would be the point?

 

You say a lot of MST3K fans hated it, but I don't see what's so bad about getting two MST episodes and the Poopie! reel for the price of one DVD. Even if you already had the single release of MANOS, you were still only paying the price you would have paid for just Santa vs Martians anyway, only this version of MANOS also had Poopie! on it which the other didn't.

2/12/2009 5:47 PM
dsman71
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?
Gee there are only about 100+ some-odd titles that could have gone in place of a title already released that could also have had the great Poopie 1 as a feature. They could have used another popular episode such as the Giant Gila Monster, or whatever was high up in the Rhino Poll. It was a terrible double dip and I know other fans were not thrilled, basically the same fans who did not like that the Atomic Brain did not come with a stinger, Killer Shrews was incomplete until a replacement disc was sent out many months later and those that thought that the only way to get Giant Gila Monster was to buy MST Volume 10.2 which was unfair to those of us who have the original Volume 10.
It is not about the price so much as the principles. The double dip was a huge gripe at the time and I just thought I would simply ask about Santa. Other fans have wanted Volume 9.2 since Volume 9 is OOP, so why not ask about Santa.

DMS
2/13/2009 11:52 AM
NiceguyCody
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?

[quote]Gee there are only about 100 some-odd titles that could have gone in place of a title already released that could also have had the great Poopie as a feature.[/quote]

And there's a 100 other titles Shout could be releasing instead of one that's already been put out.

That's completely beside the point, and not at all a good reason why Shout factory should re-release a Rhino episode simply because you don't like that it comes with a pre-existing episode at no additional cost. If it's really that big of a deal, throw away the Manos dvd and boom, there you go, single Santa Conquers the Martians.

[quote]and those that thought that the only way to get Giant Gila Monster was to buy MST Volume 10.2 which was unfair to those of us who have the original Volume 10.[/quote]

But it wasn't the only way to get the disc. As far as I know, Rhino is STILL selling it for cheap as a single disc to add to V10. You can't fault Rhino because these people didn't do their homework and find out they can buy it single for $10 online.

Again, I fail to see how this was unfair to the fans. I'm happy with the Gila Monster situation, myself. I bought v10 when it came out. When they went through the whole legal trouble and released Gila Monster seperately and as a set, it just gave me one extra episode, and for cheap. Same thing goes for the essentials. I hadn't bought Manos on DVD yet (I still had my VHS copy), so for the price of one single dvd I got that, a new episode and Poopie. Doesn't seem very unfair.

 

[quote]It is not about the price so much as the principles..[/quote]

Again, I fail to see how. No offense, but it seems more to be an issue of self-entitlement to me. The essentials DVD costs the same amount of money as if it were just Santa vs the Martians, but you get an extra episode and the Poopie reel. If you don't like that, nobody is forcing you to buy it. But it's pointless that Shout should scratch off a completely new episode (like, say, Santa Claus) just to give us one that's already readily availible, either as a single for the same price but you won't get as much with it, or in a set which would mean bumping off a new release for a re-release.

 

Your entire grievance here is that you don't like that Santa was released alongside an episode that was already put out and that you already own because you feel they could have put another new episode on that set, so your proposed solution is to put the pre-existing Santa Conquers The Martians on a set, and bump off a new episode for one that's already availible. Just kind of seems like a self-defeating circle to me.

2/13/2009 3:21 PM
dsman71
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?
Hey look if you want to have a political debate over Manos go bother someone else. There are 100+ MST episodes that are popular  that could have been used instead of a re-release of Manos. Sorry you dont see that. It is not so much a big deal as more of a curious to know if Shout would do it. Furthermore it was being sold anywhere frm 19.99 to 24.99 which was more than their single DVD.
I do not think that there is any harm to re-release SCCTM for those that didnt want Manos, since many have asked for aVolume 9.2, which wont happen. I dont expect Santa to be released again but there is no harm in asking about it.
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion and decisions, but I know other people like me were not too thrilled about a double dip. You should read some of the posts fans said when The Essentials first came out. There was a lot of gripes about Why Manos again..
This thread was a simple question out of curiosity mainly. You dont have to like it, that's your business
(quote) I fail to see how it was unfair to the fans
LOL tell that to all the fans that had to buy it when they had Manos already.  You see it your way, Ill see it my way, thank you very much

DMS
2/13/2009 4:06 PM
NiceguyCody
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?

It's not a "poltitical debate". I'm simply pointing out a self-defeating flaw in your argument that apparently you can't contend with, and feel the need for attitude instead.

 All I've done is provide good reason why Shout Factory shouldn't, and probably wouldn't "double-dip" this DVD.

 

2/13/2009 5:40 PM
dsman71
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?
All you done is be a prove to me you have  snotty uptight person who continues to waste time arguing with me over this. You need to feel so holy righteous in what you write that you cant see the forest through the trees. 'simply pointing out' my arse.
Ive pointed out why they should and you have pointed out in your snotty way why they shouldnt - you are the one with attitude not me.
Go self defeat yourself & give some of your wonderfully pointless critiques to someone else LOL talk about a false name - "NiceGuy"
Gonna reply to try to get the last word again ?

DMS
2/13/2009 6:03 PM
NiceguyCody
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?

Ever hear the story of the pot who called the porcelain black?

 If you can't handle a little valid criticism without throwing a ridiculous fit in place of actually arguing points, maybe you shouldn't be making threads.

You have some major growing up to do.

2/13/2009 6:06 PM
dsman71
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?
Me ? There was a plane crash today that killed 50 people and you insist on arguing and continuing on why Santa Claus Conquers the Martians shouldnt be re release ? Who really needs to smell the big picture ?
Valid critique or not, your tone and attitude is not really needed. You went too far. Again this thread was just to see what the thoughts would be about it, and if you read my initial post on this I know Shout would not release it most likely - but it was just food for thought - you did need to badger & go critique happy with your snotty tone like you are 'holier than thou'
If you feel the need to critique something so heavily there are far more important things to critique in the world. Use those wonderful skills there instead.



DMS
2/15/2009 7:03 AM
dsman71
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RE: Santa Claus Conquers the Martians released again possibility ?

I POSTED THIS IN ANOTHER THREAD BUT I WANT EVERYONE TO SEE IT-THIS IS A COPY OF AN EMAIL FROM NICEGUYCHIP AKA DIEFLOPPYDIE. THIS IS ONE OF 3 EMAILS HE SENT AND THIS IS THE WORST

 . . . pathetic f*@king piece of [shiite] throws a goddamn temper tantrum because people provide logical reasons why his stupid f*@king DVD shouldn't come out? Face it, your stupid dvd shouldn't be re released and it never will be. Either buy it or don't, but stop wasting our time with your incessant whining.
 
 
There are atrocities going on everywhere in the world, and all you can do is cry and pick fights.
 
You're nothing but a racist piece of [shiite]. Don't deny that fact as well, you hate-filled nazi.
 
 
I sincerely hope you die in the worst way possible, you worthless loser.
 
 
Get a f*@king life and stop picking fights over the internet, you [shiite] sucking scum.
 
Seriously you are mentally ill and should seek help. Or just kill yourself before you do something truly evil like molest any innocent children, you sick psychotic f*@k.
 
 
You scumbag. You're nothing but human nastiness.

HIS EMAIL ADDRESS IT ADOLF_[shiite]LER10@YAHOO.COM. WE DO NOT NEED THIS PERSON IN OUR FORUM. THIS HAS GONE WAY TOO FAR



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